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Regarding that freeze, some ITV regions' cart playout systems often used to have an artefact when the freeze went out.

There would be a horizontal glitch, perhaps two or three lines that would quickly run up or down the screen. It looked a bit like dropout on the tape, pretty much exactly at the 30s point (or whatever length the advert was), but I'm sure there's more to it than that.

YTV and TT certainly both had this "feature", TT possibly a little worse than YTV but not by much. I don't think I recall seeing it on other stations but I doubt it was unique to the two companies.

What was that all about?
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How could you watch all those regions?


I lived on the top of a hill and had a powerful wideband aerial. Just lucky I guess. Granada was not clear but the others were pretty much perfect on some nights.
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Si-Co2,143 posts since 2 Oct 2003
Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
How could you watch all those regions?


I lived on the top of a hill and had a powerful wideband aerial. Just lucky I guess. Granada was not clear but the others were pretty much perfect on some nights.


You were spoilt for choice then! Which TV region/transmitter area did you “officially” live in? I vaguely remember you mentioning Emley or Bilsdale in previous posts.

I’ve heard there are parts of the Dales that are on the fringe areas of TTT, YTV, Granada and Border (an area near Hawes and Kirkby Stephen I think) but how watchable they are/were I’m not sure.


Edited to add, was the TVT still regionalised at that point? If so those interested might be able to zoom in on the end pack shot and determine which region? Just a thought.


I can’t make anything out, but I doubt it would help if we could - the promos usually showed a cover with no regional branding, and any random region’s copy for the quick “flick through the pages” that they often used. The same version of these TVT ads/promos went out in every region (though some, notably LWT, sometimes used a “slide and VO” style ad using their region’s own copy).



You have to wonder why they even bothered with the TVT promo at all really. C4 clearly put up that menu so some ITV companies didn't have to bother with the break at all.
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I do wonder whether that TVT Promo was actually played out by C4, and not inserted by the ITV company ?
That would explain the cross fade, and it was a promo (not an ad) so within C4's remit ?


Very very unlikely to have come from C4, never saw it in all my years in the local C4 tx suite - always a clean sustaining feed.


I agree that it’s very unlikely the TVT ad is on the C4 feed. However, I did see something odd on C4 in Yorkshire in 1983. Their ad break appeared to finish, and they then cut to the last few seconds of a TVT ad with no sound and distorted colour. It’s possible this was on the sustaining feed, and the break was timed incorrectly, but why the loss of colour and/or sound? More likely YTV’s equipment playing up somehow - nothing from the C4 feed seemed to be missing though (as it would have done had YTV cut to the wrong source when they intended to rejoin C4). I idly wondered at the time if this was the end of a break from another region - but I can’t imagine how that would inadvertently go to Kirkstall Road or Charlotte Street.

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bluecortina850 posts since 26 Jul 2012
The TVT promos were played out to the network as part of the routine inter-company promo exchange on a Thursday morning. Can’t remember which ITV company actually played them out after all these years.
Steve in Pudsey10,080 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
I agree that it’s very unlikely the TVT ad is on the C4 feed. However, I did see something odd on C4 in Yorkshire in 1983. Their ad break appeared to finish, and they then cut to the last few seconds of a TVT ad with no sound and distorted colour. It’s possible this was on the sustaining feed, and the break was timed incorrectly, but why the loss of colour and/or sound? More likely YTV’s equipment playing up somehow - nothing from the C4 feed seemed to be missing though (as it would have done had YTV cut to the wrong source when they intended to rejoin C4). I idly wondered at the time if this was the end of a break from another region - but I can’t imagine how that would inadvertently go to Kirkstall Road or Charlotte Street.


Having another region's feed sounds unlikely as you say, but if it was a split break and there was a playout issue or timing screw up affecting the Belmont break, could they have crashed back to the Emley version?
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Si-Co2,143 posts since 2 Oct 2003
Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
I agree that it’s very unlikely the TVT ad is on the C4 feed. However, I did see something odd on C4 in Yorkshire in 1983. Their ad break appeared to finish, and they then cut to the last few seconds of a TVT ad with no sound and distorted colour. It’s possible this was on the sustaining feed, and the break was timed incorrectly, but why the loss of colour and/or sound? More likely YTV’s equipment playing up somehow - nothing from the C4 feed seemed to be missing though (as it would have done had YTV cut to the wrong source when they intended to rejoin C4). I idly wondered at the time if this was the end of a break from another region - but I can’t imagine how that would inadvertently go to Kirkstall Road or Charlotte Street.


Having another region's feed sounds unlikely as you say, but if it was a split break and there was a playout issue or timing screw up affecting the Belmont break, could they have crashed back to the Emley version?


I was watching on Emley, but the reverse could have been the case and they cut to the Belmont feed. Were there split breaks as early as 1983?
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TedJrr194 posts since 11 Sep 2005
Anglia (East) Look East

I was watching on Emley, but the reverse could have been the case and they cut to the Belmont feed. Were there split breaks as early as 1983?


Belmont and Emley Moor had separate ITV feeds, split ad spots, 7 minutes of Belmont Calendar and in the '70s the " Belmont Weather Forcast " .... all the way from the Agricultural Hall in Naaridge.

Did C4 ('80s) have split spots between Emley and Belmont? I doubt it, although Belmont was fed by GPO/BT microwave via Farley (**) one assumes that there was only ever one C4 output from YTV Kirkstall Road.

(**) How sure am I about this? Only 50% ITV was always microwave into Belmont, originally ITA RBL via Massingam and Winceby, but then BT from Leeds/Tinshill via an intermediate point to Farley nr Ollerton and then into Belmont. BBC was RBR Emley, but ISTR that changed at some point to give Belmont a cleaner feed free of co-channel interference. Always assumed that C4 was always fed to Belmont via GPO/BT microwave along the same route as ITV, but of-course it may have been RBR Emley?

A while back I posed a question as to how ITV's TCF (derived from Emley) got to Belmont. Someone who knows about these things pointed out that ITV was dual fed out of Leeds, to Emley Moor, where the Belmont feed returned to Tinshill and hence on to Belmont. Perhaps the same was true of C4?
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ttt
How could you watch all those regions?


I lived on the top of a hill and had a powerful wideband aerial. Just lucky I guess. Granada was not clear but the others were pretty much perfect on some nights.


You were spoilt for choice then! Which TV region/transmitter area did you “officially” live in? I vaguely remember you mentioning Emley or Bilsdale in previous posts.

I’ve heard there are parts of the Dales that are on the fringe areas of TTT, YTV, Granada and Border (an area near Hawes and Kirkby Stephen I think) but how watchable they are/were I’m not sure.



I am officially Bilsdale -- live near the Durham/N Yorks border.

I did manage to get Border one night in the 1980s via a different aerial but I never managed it again. I'd have loved to have had access to it -- another "minnow" region with IVC (rather than the larger corporate-type regions I was able to get) would have been cool (well-resourced TV stations are so samey!). I *think* Pat Doody was the announcer that night -- he'd have done the 10:30 local news spot right? It was coming and going so difficult to tell.

I also managed to get a very clear TVS signal on the night of the 1990 Telethon, which I also received on an overnight (with Graham Roberts announcing -- "Late Night Late" was it? -- and I seem to recall him mentioning that people across England were picking the signal up). Again there were no repeats of that.
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