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Channel 3 breakfast license - GMTV

(July 2007)

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MA
markstewart
brotherton sands posted:
markstewart posted:
TedJrr posted:
The only serious contraint that might come into play would be SMG getting p***y if ITV tried to put its own branding about.

I thought ITV had bought SMG's stake from them though?


I think what TedJrr was actually getting at was...

If ITVplc owned GMTV outright, and therefore effectively owned the "channel 3 breakfast" licence (for the whole UK - even STV and UTV land), and decided to introduce any "ITV1" branding into the 6:00-9:25am slot (which they would be at liberty to do), then SMG might be annoyed that this would mean "ITV1" gets mentioned on channel 3 in central and northern Scotland.


So if SMG would get so shirty about ITV1 being mentioned on their precious channel, how come almost all of their output is ITV1?!
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tvmercia Founding member
markstewart posted:
brotherton sands posted:
markstewart posted:
TedJrr posted:
The only serious contraint that might come into play would be SMG getting p***y if ITV tried to put its own branding about.

I thought ITV had bought SMG's stake from them though?


I think what TedJrr was actually getting at was...

If ITVplc owned GMTV outright, and therefore effectively owned the "channel 3 breakfast" licence (for the whole UK - even STV and UTV land), and decided to introduce any "ITV1" branding into the 6:00-9:25am slot (which they would be at liberty to do), then SMG might be annoyed that this would mean "ITV1" gets mentioned on channel 3 in central and northern Scotland.


So if SMG would get so shirty about ITV1 being mentioned on their precious channel, how come almost all of their output is ITV1?!


it isn't. a lot of their output is programming produced by itv plc for the itv network. part of the network chooses to call itself itv1, other parts do not
MA
markstewart
tvmercia posted:
markstewart posted:
brotherton sands posted:
markstewart posted:
TedJrr posted:
The only serious contraint that might come into play would be SMG getting p***y if ITV tried to put its own branding about.

I thought ITV had bought SMG's stake from them though?


I think what TedJrr was actually getting at was...

If ITVplc owned GMTV outright, and therefore effectively owned the "channel 3 breakfast" licence (for the whole UK - even STV and UTV land), and decided to introduce any "ITV1" branding into the 6:00-9:25am slot (which they would be at liberty to do), then SMG might be annoyed that this would mean "ITV1" gets mentioned on channel 3 in central and northern Scotland.


So if SMG would get so shirty about ITV1 being mentioned on their precious channel, how come almost all of their output is ITV1?!


it isn't. a lot of their output is programming produced by itv plc for the itv network. part of the network chooses to call itself itv1, other parts do not


So the network is ITV, but the channel is SMG? Confused
JE
Jez Founding member
markstewart posted:
tvmercia posted:
markstewart posted:
brotherton sands posted:
markstewart posted:
TedJrr posted:
The only serious contraint that might come into play would be SMG getting p***y if ITV tried to put its own branding about.

I thought ITV had bought SMG's stake from them though?


I think what TedJrr was actually getting at was...

If ITVplc owned GMTV outright, and therefore effectively owned the "channel 3 breakfast" licence (for the whole UK - even STV and UTV land), and decided to introduce any "ITV1" branding into the 6:00-9:25am slot (which they would be at liberty to do), then SMG might be annoyed that this would mean "ITV1" gets mentioned on channel 3 in central and northern Scotland.


So if SMG would get so shirty about ITV1 being mentioned on their precious channel, how come almost all of their output is ITV1?!


it isn't. a lot of their output is programming produced by itv plc for the itv network. part of the network chooses to call itself itv1, other parts do not


So the network is ITV, but the channel is SMG? Confused


In Scotland yes. A lot of programmes on the ITV Network are made by ITV Plc (i.e. Granada, LWT, Yorkshire being the main current production companies but its all called ITV Productions now) but there are still many programmes made by other companies.
MA
markstewart
confusing stuff...
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tvmercia Founding member
markstewart posted:
confusing stuff...
no, you are just thick
MA
markstewart
tvmercia posted:
markstewart posted:
confusing stuff...
no, you are just thick


Or...you're not a good explainer.
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tvmercia Founding member
markstewart posted:
tvmercia posted:
markstewart posted:
confusing stuff...
no, you are just thick


Or...you're not a good explainer.


what's so hard to understand? just like every other channel, itv network (comprising of itv plc, smg, channel tv and utv) commision programmes from production companies. just so happens that the company which produces a lot of these programmes is owned by itv plc.
MA
markstewart
tvmercia posted:
markstewart posted:
tvmercia posted:
markstewart posted:
confusing stuff...
no, you are just thick


Or...you're not a good explainer.


what's so hard to understand? just like every other channel, itv network (comprising of itv plc, smg, channel tv and utv) commision programmes from production companies. just so happens that the company which produces a lot of these programmes is owned by itv plc.


Even though SMG pretty much follows ITV's schedules word to word.
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tvmercia Founding member
markstewart posted:
tvmercia posted:
markstewart posted:
tvmercia posted:
markstewart posted:
confusing stuff...
no, you are just thick


Or...you're not a good explainer.


what's so hard to understand? just like every other channel, itv network (comprising of itv plc, smg, channel tv and utv) commission programmes from production companies. just so happens that the company which produces a lot of these programmes is owned by itv plc.


Even though SMG pretty much follows ITV's schedules word to word.


They are itv network's schedules. itv network ltd is dominated by itv plc (formerly carlton/granada) but none-the-less it is the body which commissions the network's output for ALL regions.

iirc itv plc/smg/utv/channel have to pay for the programming commissioned by itv network, whether they show it or not, so it makes good business sense to retain the strongest bits of network output.

so they are not copying itv plc - they are simply carrying a lot of the programming commissioned for them by the company which co-ordinates the network, itv plc are doing exactly the same - carrying programming commissioned for them.
DV
dvboy
Jez posted:
Alexia posted:
So...........what happens in order for ITV to show things like the Malaysian Grand Prix at 6am, and the Rugby World Cup at 8:30am?

The airtime is giving back to GMTV so sometimes it may be on until 10am or something to make up the time.


GMTV also get the advertising revenue for the time they have given away.
ST
Stuart
tvmercia posted:
They are itv network's schedules. itv network ltd is dominated by itv plc (formerly carlton/granada) but none-the-less it is the body which commissions the network's output for ALL regions.

iirc itv plc/smg/utv/channel have to pay for the programming commissioned by itv network, whether they show it or not, so it makes good business sense to retain the strongest bits of network output.

so they are not copying itv plc - they are simply carrying a lot of the programming commissioned for them by the company which co-ordinates the network, itv plc are doing exactly the same - carrying programming commissioned for them.

I think this confusion is the reason why SMG objected to the Carlton/Granada merger being allowed to be called ITV plc. It creates a false impression to Joe Public that because alot of SMG and UTV's output comes from ITV plc (ie former Carlton/Granada) that the new company has a controlling stake in them simply because they carry programmes from ITV Network Ltd.

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