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nwtv2003
Don't think so, the current crop of episodes with 1988 dates on the credits make references to "here in Birmingham", and somebody else on TV Forum said the move to Lenton Lane happened from either the 1989 or 1990 series.


You are indeed correct, and the move is mentioned by Jim in one of the first Lenton Lane episodes, the clip is on YouTube somewhere, it was even kept it when Bullseye was shown on Ftn along time ago.
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JasonB
I remember Jim mentioning the move, he mentioned it because a viewer wrote in and noticed the change in size.

Was the change in audience position in 1986? Here's a clip on youtube which shows part of the old set and the new audience arrangement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1kKbDkbzXo
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benriggers
I remember watching Bob Monkhouse's Wipeout when I was a kid (10am weekdays on Challenge) but I never realised the audience was the same on each show:
Last edited by benriggers on 7 June 2011 1:03am
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WillPS
I remember watching Bob Monkhouse's Wipeout when I was a kid (10am weekdays on Challenge) but I never realised the audience was the same on each show:


You sure it's the same? Gameshows often record several in a single day, sometimes they disguise this by making the audience move around but just as often they don't.
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A former member
Very true, even a clip from play your cards rights which highlighted this. Alas bob's wipeout had none: it was digitally put in.
Last edited by A former member on 7 June 2011 8:38am
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Michael
Alas bob's wipeout had none: it was digitally put in.


Correct; I remember it being highlighted on POV once. There were a few other shows that did this too IIRC.
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thegeek Founding member
If my understanding of automated playout systems is correct, then all the problems are likely to be related.

My understanding is that digital "flags" are added to frames of a video dictating where the playout system should start playing (e.g. after the countdown, a frame or two before the titles start), where the playout system should pause for an advert break (and how many frames to skip when resuming), where the CA should kick in (if at all) in the titles, and where to end the programme.

It seems that when Sky moved Challenge over to their own playout facilities - these flags got screwed up. If they were able to import them from Red Bee, the process went wrong - however my guess is that they couldn't be imported over so they had to be added in manually from scratch en masse (which must have been a fun job!). Obviously when you're doing this with thousands of hours of content mistakes are bound to happen.

The problem also exists on some other programming which moved to Sky playout in January - I've noticed it on Fresh Prince of Bel-Air on Living Loves for example.


You're not far off.
There aren't 'flags' as such, but there's a database in the playout system which will have the timecodes for the start and end of each part of each media clip. The paperwork from the distribution company accompanying each tape might have had the correct durations on it, but it's more likely they'll have been generated from scratch by Sky - after all, why would Red Bee want to share such information with a company they've just lost a playout contract to?
(there are probably technical reasons why this wasn't feasible too.)

It's possible that there's something clever in an ingest system which marks the start of a long stretch of black & silence as the end of a part, but what's probably more likely is that a bored tape jockey hasn't been briefed on their job very well, and marked the out point as the last frame of vision. It's the sort of thing that a playout director ought to spot while previewing their junctions, but perhaps Sky don't do that. (If they did, you'd probably start seeing a lot more 5 second fillers to make up the time)
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Ben Founding member
Alas bob's wipeout had none: it was digitally put in.


Correct; I remember it being highlighted on POV once. There were a few other shows that did this too IIRC.


Watching that clip back, its bloody obvious too.
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Larry the Loafer
The audience did look out of place once they appeared in shot, but I wouldn't have thought it was digitally put in. Did they really make Bob tell jokes to canned laughter? Poor guy...
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Gavin Scott Founding member
The audience did look out of place once they appeared in shot, but I wouldn't have thought it was digitally put in. Did they really make Bob tell jokes to canned laughter? Poor guy...


The crew laughed, I'm sure. I would have, even if the gags were poor.
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Charlie Wells Moderator
Straying off-topic slightly I wonder if Challenge will show the Christmas special(s) of Bullseye. I just spotted this one from 1988 which also includes festive titles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spnrE3V7IPk

Edit: Looking at a clip from another year it looks like some of them have been shown.
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A former member
Straying off-topic slightly I wonder if Challenge will show the Christmas special(s) of Bullseye. I just spotted this one from 1988 which also includes festive titles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spnrE3V7IPk

Edit: Looking at a clip from another year it looks like some of them have been shown.


most of them are 45mins long, really there could just add 10mins shorts..

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