NJ
What showings of Crystal Maze were you watching?
I believe all of Richard's episodes are in the original two breaks form, while all of Edward's episodes have been re-edited to the current style three breaks form.
I did see on one occasion a Richard episode with a forced third break.
Sky appear to respect original ad break positions on archive programming, even their own produced programming from as late as 2007 was only made with two internal breaks and still go out today with two internal breaks as opposed to forcing a third one.
I'm still surprised actually as to why the edits to Richard's closing remarks at the end of most Crystal episodes have not been tidied up or fixed. When Virgin came along and replaced all the endcaps on Takeshi's Castle, Ninja Warriors and whatever that other strange Japanese sourced show with Brian Blessed looking like a transformer is called, the editing on Takeshi was actually improved from the original botch job it received when Challenge first imported the show.
Neil Jones
Founding member
Back in the early days The Crystal Maze ran in a slot of 1 hour 20 minutes!
What showings of Crystal Maze were you watching?
These deep edits started around 2008 under VMTV though. Crystal Maze was cut up to insert an extra break at one point too, although they seem to have abandoned these edits.
I believe all of Richard's episodes are in the original two breaks form, while all of Edward's episodes have been re-edited to the current style three breaks form.
I did see on one occasion a Richard episode with a forced third break.
Sky appear to respect original ad break positions on archive programming, even their own produced programming from as late as 2007 was only made with two internal breaks and still go out today with two internal breaks as opposed to forcing a third one.
I'm still surprised actually as to why the edits to Richard's closing remarks at the end of most Crystal episodes have not been tidied up or fixed. When Virgin came along and replaced all the endcaps on Takeshi's Castle, Ninja Warriors and whatever that other strange Japanese sourced show with Brian Blessed looking like a transformer is called, the editing on Takeshi was actually improved from the original botch job it received when Challenge first imported the show.
MI
Did anyone get a capture of this nonsense?
How badly was it edited? Challenge haven't exactly got a good reputation for their editing skills.
Not badly at all - all that was shown was the first part of the movement where the cane is by his side. It just doesn't appear when the middle square disappears. The rest of the animation is unchanged.
Annoyingly they've censored it so Mr Chips' cane no longer breaks the frame of the bottom square, making the, er, charming, less obvious.
Did anyone get a capture of this nonsense?
How badly was it edited? Challenge haven't exactly got a good reputation for their editing skills.
Not badly at all - all that was shown was the first part of the movement where the cane is by his side. It just doesn't appear when the middle square disappears. The rest of the animation is unchanged.
AN
Andrew
Founding member
I was meaning because they'd schedule Prize Time and/or The Games Room around it, and hence had no worry about starting a programme at say 8:50 and the next one at 10:10
Thesedays everything has to start at 8, 9, 10 etc regardless of the fact that they've got 65 mins of content and adverts to fit into 60
Thesedays everything has to start at 8, 9, 10 etc regardless of the fact that they've got 65 mins of content and adverts to fit into 60
NJ
But that's an entirely different thing from what you were saying, with all due respect. You were effectively saying the content is being stretched from a 45 minute running time to fill an 80 minute slot. Which is different from padding around the ends of the programme with unrelated gummings.
65 minutes of content? How have you worked this out? Crystal, for example, only ever ran for 60 minutes with commercials. I think it only had an actual programme content time of about 45/50 minutes. Even with today's advertising regime, it still fits snugly at about 58 minutes in all.
Neil Jones
Founding member
I was meaning because they'd schedule Prize Time and/or The Games Room around it, and hence had no worry about starting a programme at say 8:50 and the next one at 10:10
But that's an entirely different thing from what you were saying, with all due respect. You were effectively saying the content is being stretched from a 45 minute running time to fill an 80 minute slot. Which is different from padding around the ends of the programme with unrelated gummings.
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Thesedays everything has to start at 8, 9, 10 etc regardless of the fact that they've got 65 mins of content and adverts to fit into 60
65 minutes of content? How have you worked this out? Crystal, for example, only ever ran for 60 minutes with commercials. I think it only had an actual programme content time of about 45/50 minutes. Even with today's advertising regime, it still fits snugly at about 58 minutes in all.
WP
In the case of Family Fortunes etc, it would probably serve them better to fit 2 in a 65 minute slot rather than hack them in to a 60 minute one though. Making everything fit in to 1 hour slots strikes me as a sign of a lack of confidence. Comedy Central etc. don't seem bothered about timing (although there is normally a junction at 9pm, which makes sense
They should aim to meet two top-of-the-hour points during prime time, and really not worry about it at all during the day.
They should aim to meet two top-of-the-hour points during prime time, and really not worry about it at all during the day.
:-(
A former member
Comedy Central etc. don't seem bothered about timing (although there is normally a junction at 9pm, which makes sense
They should aim to meet two top-of-the-hour points during prime time, and really not worry about it at all during the day.
They should aim to meet two top-of-the-hour points during prime time, and really not worry about it at all during the day.
Comedy central show all about 22mins long there have to use fillers sometimes as there used up all the advert slots. Comedy central extra along with Gold do operate to 40mnis slots but that a different kettle of fish
Some edits are need like to get rid of compertation etc
WP
Comedy central show all about 22mins long there have to use fillers sometimes as there used up all the advert slots. Comedy central extra along with Gold do operate to 40mnis slots but that a different kettle of fish
Some edits are need like to get rid of compertation etc
I think I understand some of that. My point is that most of the successful digital repeat channels (Dave, GOLD, Comedy Central (sort of)) don't observe any particular hour-by-hour format so it's daft that challenge hack off, for example, 3 minutes from the first 5 of Family Fortunes. Not that I particularly miss the chats with the families if I'm honest, but it'd be nice to have the whole title sequence at least.
Comedy Central etc. don't seem bothered about timing (although there is normally a junction at 9pm, which makes sense
They should aim to meet two top-of-the-hour points during prime time, and really not worry about it at all during the day.
They should aim to meet two top-of-the-hour points during prime time, and really not worry about it at all during the day.
Comedy central show all about 22mins long there have to use fillers sometimes as there used up all the advert slots. Comedy central extra along with Gold do operate to 40mnis slots but that a different kettle of fish
Some edits are need like to get rid of compertation etc
I think I understand some of that. My point is that most of the successful digital repeat channels (Dave, GOLD, Comedy Central (sort of)) don't observe any particular hour-by-hour format so it's daft that challenge hack off, for example, 3 minutes from the first 5 of Family Fortunes. Not that I particularly miss the chats with the families if I'm honest, but it'd be nice to have the whole title sequence at least.
:-(
A former member
I believe it was also changed to increase adverts revenue,
LL
Are we talking in terms of Mark Ryse's announcements?
The continuity on Challenge is appalling too. They seem to have two or three pre-recorded generic announcements for each programme - some including annoying pro tips such as "the object of [Family Fortunes] is to think of the most obvious answer!".
I honestly don't know why they bother.
I honestly don't know why they bother.
Are we talking in terms of Mark Ryse's announcements?