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Interceptor790 posts since 20 Oct 2014
Wipeout (Paul Daniels) was edited too to remove the contestant chat, the aim seemingly to squeeze it into a 30 minute transmission slot. Which they managed. Just.

I think if Challenge ever decide/need to get new prints to replace these edits, it'll have a major knock on to the schedule with regards to everything else and rules re: amount of advertising. Some edits are minor which they still use and predate Virgin (like some of Richard O'Brien's closing remarks on Crystal Maze for example which were edited back in the Flextech days). But I suspect if they're still using those edits 20 years on, there's little hope of anything newer being replaced.

VMTV were obsessed with hitting the top of the hour, to the extent that when they showed 1 vs 100 it was always paired with an episode of 'Aunties Bloomers' to fill it to an hour - to hell with what the current viewers might be interested in seeing. I seem to remember a day of 'back to back' 1 vs 100 which was rendered unwatchable thanks to those bloody Aunties Bloomers.


I remember the edits to the closing parts of the Crystal Maze way back when I first watched Challenge - 1998/9ish. I wouldn't be surprised if they were done whenever Challenge (or The Family Channel??) originally acquired them.
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Interceptor790 posts since 20 Oct 2014
Interesting if they still use the edits of the Crystal Maze that they made back then, but the tapes of TVS Catchphrase and All Clued Up they showed at the same time have gone walkies Razz

It's quite possible the tapes were still in the big box of physical media which Sky got when they acquired VMTV. The right to broadcast them is something else, of course.


Likewise it's possible The Crystal Maze edits were done at the distribution end, or at least are the edits they now sell to fit a UK 60 min slot with ads. Difficult to know without another broadcaster acquiring them...
Neil Jones5,657 posts since 23 Dec 2001
Central (West) Midlands Today
Likewise it's possible The Crystal Maze edits were done at the distribution end, or at least are the edits they now sell to fit a UK 60 min slot with ads. Difficult to know without another broadcaster acquiring them...


Crystal Maze originally went out in a sixty minute slot on Channel 4 in the 1990s. With two ad breaks across the entire run, not with a third one arbitrary added in on the Tudor-Pole episodes as is the current case. The Richard O'Brien episodes are pretty much intact as far as I can see save for some of the end comments he makes but even then we're probably only losing about 20 seconds anyway. The Tudor-Pole episodes were originally more padding originally (as the format was changed slightly) and I wouldn't be surprised if Virgin trimmed some of that padding to make room for the extra advert break.
Brekkie32,646 posts since 4 Jan 2003
HTV Wales Wales Today
Yes, originally there were generally 15 games per show which reduced to 13 games by the end, but with no change in the break structure (I don't know if the rules on the length of breaks changed at all).
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Neil Jones5,657 posts since 23 Dec 2001
Central (West) Midlands Today
Yes, originally there were generally 15 games per show which reduced to 13 games by the end, but with no change in the break structure (I don't know if the rules on the length of breaks changed at all).


There wasn't a hard limit on the number of games (indeed one team managed to cram 16 games in when everybody else was either 14 or 15), I suppose it depended on how much of a hash you made of previous games, which all served to eat into the available time.

Of course we all know what happened with the revived show and the claim that they could only get ten games in. I still beg to differ.
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steddenm1,353 posts since 11 Oct 2004
Central (West) Midlands Today
Going back to Tipping Point and magnets - the counters are plastic and the SFX of them dropping is added in post production. There are numerous outtake videos on YouTube that show them dropping without SFX.
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Interceptor790 posts since 20 Oct 2014
Likewise it's possible The Crystal Maze edits were done at the distribution end, or at least are the edits they now sell to fit a UK 60 min slot with ads. Difficult to know without another broadcaster acquiring them...


Crystal Maze originally went out in a sixty minute slot on Channel 4 in the 1990s. With two ad breaks across the entire run, not with a third one arbitrary added in on the Tudor-Pole episodes as is the current case. The Richard O'Brien episodes are pretty much intact as far as I can see save for some of the end comments he makes but even then we're probably only losing about 20 seconds anyway. The Tudor-Pole episodes were originally more padding originally (as the format was changed slightly) and I wouldn't be surprised if Virgin trimmed some of that padding to make room for the extra advert break.

I'm aware of that. I'm also aware that the rules which the IBA and ITA enforced upon Channel 4 in the 90s were significantly more stringent in terms of permitted advertising minutes than the rules regulators subsequently applied to non-PSB broadcasters.


It's perfectly plausible that the tighter edits were made by Chatsworth or somebody else on the distribution end to make the programme more marketable to UK broadcasters (or even overseas broadcasters, the show did rather well in the UAE I seem to recall?). Perhaps Chatsworth actually asked for the closing remarks as an easy bit of content to trim out with one eye on such secondary distribution deals. Again, I have no evidence that this is what happened, but we don't know it didn't either.
Johnr498 posts since 6 Apr 2004
I’ve always wanted to be in the audience for Tipping Point, might have to book some tickets next time Lucky Stars records

It’s an example of a show that would have lasted 1 series without someone like Ben Shephard
JasonB5,158 posts since 20 Sep 2003
London London
I’ve always wanted to be in the audience for Tipping Point, might have to book some tickets next time Lucky Stars records

It’s an example of a show that would have lasted 1 series without someone like Ben Shephard


I was in the audience of Lucky Stars a few years ago. The audience area is really small about 4 or 5 rows in a really small space at Fountain Studios which were rumored to be closing down at the time of taping in 2016.
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Gary Baldy64 posts since 28 Dec 2018
Granada North West Today
They’ve now acquired the Chase Series 8. Wonder when they’ll reach Jenny’s episodes. The channel doesn’t seem too Chase-heavy at the minute.

They’ve shunted Eggheads to 4am on weekday, and American Ninja Warrior to 4am on weekends- both billed as new.