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Gary McEwan STV Central Reporting Scotland
"You're watching Challenge, and this next one contains outdated attitudes which may cause offence". This appears to be Challenge's variation on Sky's wider policy they've recently introduced and stuck on the front of various movies and shows and whatever else.

This was put in front of a 1986 episode of Strike It Lucky this afternoon most likely because one of the contestants was originally from Hong Kong and Barrymore was doing a mock Chinese accent off and on throughout the first half.

Honestly, good on them for making viewers more aware about this policy and why it's important to recognize our behaviours and attitudes to people of different races at that time.


Yes it's good that they are doing it, but they now shouldn't be editing the episodes to cut out such comments now going forward.

That's just hiding the comments that was made all them years ago.
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what West Country (East) Points West
"You're watching Challenge, and this next one contains outdated attitudes which may cause offence". This appears to be Challenge's variation on Sky's wider policy they've recently introduced and stuck on the front of various movies and shows and whatever else.

This was put in front of a 1986 episode of Strike It Lucky this afternoon most likely because one of the contestants was originally from Hong Kong and Barrymore was doing a mock Chinese accent off and on throughout the first half.

Honestly, good on them for making viewers more aware about this policy and why it's important to recognize our behaviours and attitudes to people of different races at that time.


Yes it's good that they are doing it, but they now shouldn't be editing the episodes to cut out such comments now going forward.

That's just hiding the comments that was made all them years ago.

I’d imagine we’ll still see those cuts - they were probably made in the Virgin days and are likely the only copies they have on hand.
JO
Jon Central (West) Midlands Today
"You're watching Challenge, and this next one contains outdated attitudes which may cause offence". This appears to be Challenge's variation on Sky's wider policy they've recently introduced and stuck on the front of various movies and shows and whatever else.

This was put in front of a 1986 episode of Strike It Lucky this afternoon most likely because one of the contestants was originally from Hong Kong and Barrymore was doing a mock Chinese accent off and on throughout the first half.

Honestly, good on them for making viewers more aware about this policy and why it's important to recognize our behaviours and attitudes to people of different races at that time.


Yes it's good that they are doing it, but they now shouldn't be editing the episodes to cut out such comments now going forward.

That's just hiding the comments that was made all them years ago.

It really depends what it is, if something is said that is really going to offend large groups of viewers it should be cut out. I don’t fully buy this “it’s rewriting history” line, because Challenge aren’t showing these classic gameshows to educate people, but to entertain them and people are watching them to be entertained.

It also shows that there is clearly some ethnic groups that they don’t mind upsetting as much as others. Because if Barrymore had been imitating a black person’s Caribbean accent or an Indian accent would it have been left in? I don’t think it would have.
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Gary McEwan STV Central Reporting Scotland
Jon posted:
Honestly, good on them for making viewers more aware about this policy and why it's important to recognize our behaviours and attitudes to people of different races at that time.


Yes it's good that they are doing it, but they now shouldn't be editing the episodes to cut out such comments now going forward.

That's just hiding the comments that was made all them years ago.

It really depends what it is, if something is said that is really going to offend large groups of viewers it should be cut out. I don’t fully buy this “it’s rewriting history” line, because Challenge aren’t showing these classic gameshows to educate people, but to entertain them and people are watching them to be entertained.

It also shows that there is clearly some ethnic groups that they don’t mind upsetting as much as others. Because if Barrymore had been imitating a black person’s Caribbean accent or an Indian accent would it have been left in? I don’t think it would have.


There was an episode of Family Fortunes that will probably never see the light of day again.

It was a celebrity edition in the 'Monkhouse' era where one of the charities was for 'spastics'. Language like that will never see the light of day again.
JO
Jon Central (West) Midlands Today
That is actually an outdated medical term. The charity Scope used be known as ‘The Spastic society’. But the term certainly is considered very derogatory today.

You certainly do hear quite a few mentions of the word ‘handicapped’ on Bullseye which is also outdated but probably not quite as offensive as the other word.
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Si-Co Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
Many years ago, I remember seeing an episode of the schools series The English Programme about broadcast media. A comment made on Blankety Blank by Les Dawson to Paul J Medford (EastEnders actor) was being discussed and a young viewer explained how she found it offensive. Without repeating the comment, I am sure there would be uproar if something similar was said today. If that episode of Blankety Blank has been repeated, I assume the offending line has been cut. I don’t personally believe such comments should be reinstated even with a “outdated attitudes and humour” warning, but where do you draw the line?
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Juicy Joe Founding member Central (West) Midlands Today
The public just find everything offensive these days, unfortunately. Probably due to the internet and herd behaviour. It is a sad situation. Classic Programmes should be shown in full and people should realise there are far more things to get upset about than jocularity & banter on 30+ yr old game shows and the like. At least there isn't a barrage of profanities camouflaged as "humour" in retro shows which comedians & presenters have relied upon since the noughties to underpin their guise, in that they aren't funny. That is far more offensive!
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all new Phil Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
The public just find everything offensive these days, unfortunately. Probably due to the internet and herd behaviour. It is a sad situation. Classic Programmes should be shown in full and people should realise there are far more things to get upset about than jocularity & banter on 30+ yr old game shows and the like. At least there isn't a barrage of profanities camouflaged as "humour" in retro shows which comedians & presenters have relied upon since the noughties to underpin their guise, in that they aren't funny. That is far more offensive!

I put it to you that it isn’t the public finding things offensive, it’s a small number of people being loudly offended on our behalf.
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Brekkie Wales Wales Today
Jon posted:
It also shows that there is clearly some ethnic groups that they don’t mind upsetting as much as others. Because if Barrymore had been imitating a black person’s Caribbean accent or an Indian accent would it have been left in? I don’t think it would have.

There was an episode yesterday when he did just that with a contestant from Jamaica and a weak Bob Marley impersonation. Uncomfortable for sure and I don't dispute it is offensive to some, but I suspect it happened with regional UK accents too.
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I think there is a difference between the sort of game shows that Challenge show, and dramas and films. The game shows are generally part of large series, and many people watch them almost as default or background, and won't deliberately choose to watch specific episodes.

As such, I would be more likely to be careful on showing some episodes of these shows, and not show a few programmes, whereas dramas and films are more likely to be deliberately watched, and thus I would be more into putting a message at the start putting dramas and films in context, but still showing them.

Clearly there is a spectrum - some of the latter shouldn't be shown on TV at all even with a warning - whereas some quiz shows may cause some offence, but can be shown.
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sjames Anglia (East) Look East
Jon posted:

You certainly do hear quite a few mentions of the word ‘handicapped’ on Bullseye which is also outdated but probably not quite as offensive as the other word.


Interestingly you find Americans use 'handicapped' much more that we do nowadays. When going round the Florida theme parks you hear mentions of 'handicapped entrance' or 'handicapped space' etc.
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VMPhil Granada North West Today
And, going back to the original post, in America the terms spastic/spaz don't have the same negative/discriminatory connotations as they do here.

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