Celebrity Big Brother

religion or no religion she is discriminating against people on the grounds of their race/colour/culture/religion *FACT* the same accusation you/others are levelling at other housemates.

its also worth reminding ourselves that shilpa decided not to challenge jermaine when he described the goodys as white trash[/quote]

isn't white trash the american term for chav?

well i find it offensive - in the same way shilpa would find "paki" offensive. jermaine knew what he was saying was taboo as he whispered it.

you don't need to it's on YouTube, just type 'Jacks suggustion'

well this is what I meant the whole show has taken racist undertones really, but I bet Endemol are loving it as their ratings were on the fall, now of course it's splashed everywhere!

It has now been said the sponsor of the show is now willing to disassociate themselves from this.

I don't agree with you saying that Shilpa has discriminated based on religion, I presume you are talking about Dirk, well again as a hindu you cannot get married to a person of another religion, it's worse in fact that you only can get married to the caste instead, so she ain't discriminating, she can't do it!

Obviously, the key to whether it is racism, or not, is whether their actions are because of Shilpa's ethnicity. I think that Jade genuinely feels that shilpa is being fake, and not genuine, though, is this because of raceist feelings around the house. It hink that perhaps her foreign-ness does come into play, perhaps. I think that perhaps jade thinks that Shilpa is being fake because she has manners accostommed (sp.?) to Indian culture and society, like I say a lot, I can only speculate, because I don't know waht Indian culture is like, really, and I speculate that she thinks that Shilpa's mannerisms are fake, because they are from an Indian up-brining, and not a British one, so can't quite believe that that is who she really is. Also, Jade has said that she cannot read Shilpa, and erhaps that is to do with a culture barrier aswell. If the name calling is because of culture barriers, I wouldn't call this racism, just ignorant socialising, assumptiveness and rudeness, and even perhaps bullying.

Put simply, I speculate that a lot of the housemates cannot understand Shilpa's manners, and have assumed that she is faking them, to manipulate the game. Shilpa cannot understand our more informal manners, and hher attempts to explain this culture shock, perhaps, have been read as a snobbish "I'm more polite than you!". I think that to resolve, everyone envolved needs to sit down, explain their feelings, and they'll realise that they arn't out for malice, the girls have just made an assumption, and Shilpa is just trying to help around the house. Oh I wish Carole was in! Like I said earlier, she added something, and a few days ago, i was watching, and I thought "there's something missing in that group, the wise, older level headed input that I seem to remember was being contributed by someo. . ., oh, Carole!"

Going on to Cleo, I, suspect that she was just curious as to what the other girls' anti-Shilpa logic was, and was just listening. She had a very, hmm, "this isn't right!" look on her face, and she only seemed to speak when she had to, and picked up a cue. I think her remark about Jack's remark was, to me rather forced. Whether I'm just seeing what I want to see, I don't know, perhaps, but, I'd like to see how Cleo acts today.

H has been very good and sensible, and kept his distance from the situation.

I am disapointed with Jack's remarks, and I wanted Jack to stay on the first eviction, so I could see him "come out of his shell", but now, I wish he'd gone, and Jackiey stay, because I didn't see malice with her, just careless rudeness, and an overreaction to Shilpa's responce to Jackiey calling her 'Princess'. I don't see malice in Jade, either, I think that she genuinely thinks that she is "genuinely genuine", and that she thinks Shilpa is playing a game. I think she has overreacted to this and been arguably very rude. If I have a hunch like that, I'd never act so affirmatively, and treat someone with less respect, based on an assumption, because assumptions are often wrong, and if mine was, then I've been rude to someone, without justification, and I don't think that Jade has cognitively been down the "what if I'm wrong?!" road, properly.

Just to clarify, I'm not saying that morally the show should be stopped, I'm just saying that it would work wonders for the lifespan and 'buzz' of the brand.

As a point of discussion, why should Channel 4 "take racism and bullying seriously"?

Surely the point of Big Brother is putting people in a social situation and then spying on them. By intervening and saying "You can't say racist things", it's not showing people's true characters. If a group gossips about a housemate, why should that be stopped, it's human nature?

The press reports are totally exaggerating everything. They're hardly "ganging up" on Shilpa either. A group of housemates just dislike her. That's human nature.

And I've still not seen anything from Jo which should be branded as racism. Not once has she brought Shilpa's ethnicity into the equation.

I've noticed the media are increasingly using the term inmates instead of housemates to add the sinister touch to things.

Good grief Harshy. With an attitude like that no wonder the press are all over this "racism" row.

That's the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard.

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its worth reminding ourselves that we are talking about the same shilpa who will only marry an indian man - an attitude of which enoch powell would approve i'm sure. not quite the innocent, tolerant princess some would portray her as.

Its worth reminding ourselves that Shilpa doesn't live here, comes from a different culture, background and religion and has every right to follow the customs and culture of her country. It's called freedom of choice...something I am sure most here would wish for themselves. Or are we so insular that we expect everyone to be like us? ( or, God help us ,like the Goodys?)
Lets be honest -our culture and values hardly have anything to commend them judging by the likes of Jade, the WAG etc...and I am sure even Jade would pefer to stick with her 'tribe' ..it's what she is comfortable with and what she knows.
Psychologists always tell us that people always gravitate to their own and who they feel comfortable with. Tolerance comes in when you don't judge and are happy to acknowledge others who are different in background, culture and religion to yourself. (Something Jade et al is having a little difficulty with )

By the way for what it's worth I think the Enoch Powell ref is slightly off the mark.

Well this issue certainly has help CBB's ratings. 'Third Lagest Audience of the Series'. This issue is what makes Big Brother go on and on and on and on and...

I am also of the opinion that what is currently going on in CBB is more of a bullying stemming from ignorance rather than deliberate racism.

Thing is, a lot of what Jo, Danielle and Jade have come out with is no different from the sorts of attitudes/ignorance towards life in general that I see day to day in an awful lot more people – people who are generally actually quite decent citizens - than I think anybody would care to admit, certainly amid the current hysteria.

Yes, it is hysteria. Bullying and racism and nasty emails threatening contestants have all occurred on the show before, and nobody’s made this big a fuss about it. Does nobody think that there might be people with their own agenda at work here? Bollywood fans desperate for Shilpa to win, who see her as completely faultless? People who are anti-Jade, who believe that she is pure evil and who are desperate for her to be finished off once and for all? People who just love a good bandwagon to jump on? How many of these 10,000 complaints are from the same person, or persons, under different names?

Or are we just getting worked up because there is frankly nothing else worth talking about with this round of CBB?

That doesn’t mean that the behaviour of the three ladies in question towards Shilpa is acceptable – bullying never is. Neither is racism or any form of discrimination.

And that’s the thing about Big Brother (and other reality TV shows). People are put under a microscope and suddenly the ugliness of the average human being is magnified to the nth degree. The viewer is simultaneously repulsed and fascinated. You don’t want to believe that you, or anyone you know, could be like that. Big Brother, whether it is the celebrity version or the pleb version, seems to bring out the ‘holier than thou’ in people – “I’m not racist like that”, “I’m not two faced like that”, and “I would never act like a moron”. Yeah, right. Everybody has their prejudices, everybody is a bitch to some degree and everybody makes a fool of themselves at some point.

So most people seem to want to make an example out of the ‘terrible trio’. It’s just not perhaps the one that they should be making. Look in your own backyard before being judge, jury and executioner.

For the record, whilst I feel sympathy for Shilpa and don’t agree with the treatment she’s been receiving from Jade et al , she’s not the poor little angel that some people are trying to paint her as.