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Some truths... (September 2008)

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WH
Whataday Founding member
JAH posted:
Pax not wanting to be filmed sit in the front rows of the cabin. Only CelebAir passengers sit in the back 10 rows. The A/C varies. Due to obvious issues, it doesn't do well for Monarch to have one a/c on the ground while LGW is left wanting. So the a/c being used for exterior shots, while it may be the one that flies out, will then fly back with fare-paying pax to LGW and be used again. There are separate prices for CelebAir and for Monarch flights, detailed on the website.


Whilst I'm sure you look very clever using all those acronyms, is it really necessary? Some people aren't as sophisticated and don't know their A/Cs from their LGWs. This is TV Forum, not Trolley Dolley's Chit Chat.
SP
Steve in Pudsey
JAW posted:
Far from helping the airline industry, at a time when many airlines are struggling to make ends meet and some are beginning to fold, it beggars belief that out of work CC are being held off by a bunch of braindead celebs wanting to boost their flagging careers.


How can you come to that conclusion when you've said

JAW posted:
The two celebrities per A/C are in reality surplus to requirements. They are not required to operate any emergency exits, liaise with gate crew or plan any aspect of the flight. This is left to the full cabin crew already on board, including the seconder at the rear of the A/C.


You're not suggesting that were it not for the celebs there would be two extra "proper" cabin crew per flight?
JA
jamesmd
Steve in Pudsey posted:
JAW posted:
Far from helping the airline industry, at a time when many airlines are struggling to make ends meet and some are beginning to fold, it beggars belief that out of work CC are being held off by a bunch of braindead celebs wanting to boost their flagging careers.


How can you come to that conclusion when you've said

JAW posted:
The two celebrities per A/C are in reality surplus to requirements. They are not required to operate any emergency exits, liaise with gate crew or plan any aspect of the flight. This is left to the full cabin crew already on board, including the seconder at the rear of the A/C.


You're not suggesting that were it not for the celebs there would be two extra "proper" cabin crew per flight?


What I'm saying is I don't see why some flights should be hired to carry extra cabin crew when the cabin crew who wouldn't already be surplus to requirements are left wanting somehow. It's starting to not make sense to me as well, so I think I'll leave it...

And Whataday, here's a list of translations:
A/C = Aircraft
LGW = London Gatwick
Pax = Passengers
CC = Cabin Crew

A slightly less hostile tone in your post might be nice as well, love! Cool
NG
noggin Founding member
Whataday posted:
JAH posted:
Pax not wanting to be filmed sit in the front rows of the cabin. Only CelebAir passengers sit in the back 10 rows. The A/C varies. Due to obvious issues, it doesn't do well for Monarch to have one a/c on the ground while LGW is left wanting. So the a/c being used for exterior shots, while it may be the one that flies out, will then fly back with fare-paying pax to LGW and be used again. There are separate prices for CelebAir and for Monarch flights, detailed on the website.


Whilst I'm sure you look very clever using all those acronyms, is it really necessary? Some people aren't as sophisticated and don't know their A/Cs from their LGWs. This is TV Forum, not Trolley Dolley's Chit Chat.


I've never worked in the aircraft industry in my life - but surely anyone who has ever flown in the UK knows that LGW is Gatwick, LHR is Heathrow etc. And A/C wasn't a difficult guess - it is either AirCraft or Air Conditioning.

Interesting debate as to whether the terms you mention are actually acronyms (often meaning a pronouncable word made up of initial letters - like NATO or LASER) or initialisms (a set of initial letters pronounced as letters - like HDMI or BBC)
SP
Steve in Pudsey
JAH posted:
It's starting to not make sense to me as well, so I think I'll leave it...


Fair play Wink
MQ
Mr Q
JAH posted:
I actually find it very patronising to cabin crew. Far from helping the airline industry, at a time when many airlines are struggling to make ends meet and some are beginning to fold, it beggars belief that out of work CC are being held off by a bunch of braindead celebs wanting to boost their flagging careers.

I really don't see what the issue is. If the airline believed it was a bad deal for them, they wouldn't be doing it. To my mind, it's a good promotional device, precisely at a time when (as you note) airlines are struggling. This is something to help one particular airline stand out in the crowd. Obviously that's no guarantee that it will work, but businesses always run that sort of risk with PR and marketing.
JA
jamesmd
The airline in question, British charter airline Monarch, seems to have removed nearly every bit of its branding from the aircraft and terminal though - even the "Monarch" on the engine covers has been removed, and all the branding throughout is CelebAir - like it's their own airline.
DB
dbl
They do actually say the mentors and cabin crew training are from Monarch though.

8 days later

TI
This Is Granada
how come its move slots, from a tuesday at 9pm to thursday at 8pm??


another itv flop then?
JE
Jenny Founding member
How does a programme on ITV2 flop, anyway? By only getting eleven viewers instead of twelve?
BR
Brekkie
It's been losing viewers quicker than a hijacked plane loses altitude, but not sure whether a move to their flagship "XXL Thursday" would be considered a demotion. If anything they're probably trying to give it another chance.
NG
noggin Founding member
JAH posted:
The airline in question, British charter airline Monarch, seems to have removed nearly every bit of its branding from the aircraft and terminal though - even the "Monarch" on the engine covers has been removed, and all the branding throughout is CelebAir - like it's their own airline.


They presumably have to do this to avoid product placement issues. This isn't a documentary following Monarch airlines, it is a reality TV show.

By removing all Monarch branding it saves them shedloads in post production having to blur everything - and allows them to control the number of times Monarch is mentioned, or the branding seen, allowing them to comply with Ofcom regulations.

Or have I missed some changes to the law regarding product placement recently?

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