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cwathen3,383 posts since 27 Dec 2001
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Another Idea would be to have flextech merge with the discovery channel and replacing uk history with ukdiscovery.

Actually, the prospect of having more free channels on DTT was loosely discussed before ITV Digital collapsed. At that time, Discovery Europe said they 'might be interested' in being part of this service in some way. I haven't ruled out Discovery making some sort of appearance yet.
Martin Kong96 posts since 21 Feb 2003
chrisb posted:

However, now that there are 2 million Freeviewers and rising, perhaps UKtv will put UK Gold on there - the ad revenue may pay for the channel by now, it would pull in more viewers to Freeview (even more ad revenue) and it's likely to become the most popular Freeview channel.


They need a good general entertainment channel like UK Gold and a movie channel - they're the main things Freeview is missing. It's a good opportunity for UK Gold to appear and become a favourite channel on Freeview.


And what happens if U.K gold doesn't want to come on freeview? Then what?
cwathen3,383 posts since 27 Dec 2001
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And what happens if U.K gold doesn't want to come on freeview? Then what?

Lets be clear on what UK Gold is - it is a part of the UKTV network, it will go where the BBC and Flextech decides it will go, it hasn't existed as an entity with any self control for years and years. What 'it' wants is irrelevant.

But anyway, I'm not expecting to wake up any day soon and see UK Gold there, but I think at some point it is a serious possibility - last I heard UKTV were seriously looking into whether it would be possible to make it FTA on ALL platforms.
This Is Granada1,705 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Poor CBM, well I never really had a chance did it? The logo was naff, I bet the DOG would have been HUGE and full of colour, and the content of the channel hardly appeals to a wide range of viewers. Right, so just because Freeview don't want CBM, can't the people behind the channel just carry on, make the channel and then just fill up sky and Cable with it? Not that I would watch it mind you.

As for UK Gold on DTT, well why? The channel has not much cop on it, the dogs are always full of text underneath, and I think UKTV should put a UKTV Entertainment channel on it, with programs from all UK Channels. Anyway, UKBI had no dog when I looked today? Are they already striping the channel down piece by piece before they get rid? No, thought not. Wonder why it had no dog? Anyway, moving on, what about CBM's website? What does that say? Has it still got that 'coming soon to ch22 on freeview' or is it now a dead site?

I bet we now get a timeshare shopping channel, and kids channel or something like that? What about Discovery? Are they interested in putting a light Home & Leisure/Kids/Wings/Health channel on Freeview?
cwathen3,383 posts since 27 Dec 2001
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As for UK Gold on DTT, well why? The channel has not much cop on it, the dogs are always full of text underneath

It's a shadow of it's former self I agree, but it's still a good channel - and it's still viewed as a prestigious channel which many people would go down the DTT route for.

And ANYTHING is better than the crap that's on there now.
A former member
I do agree that there should be some sort of "killer" channel that is on Freeview which would attract a lot people to DTT.

If you look at the spread of content that's already available, the one glaring omission is definitely some sort of film or dedicated drama channel.

At the end of the day, the faster DTT take up happens, the sooner we get analogue switch off.... it's already started to happen in Germany !
cwathen3,383 posts since 27 Dec 2001
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it's already started to happen in Germany !

Lets be clear on what is happening in Germany. There are plans to start (note, start; afaik nothing has happened yet) to start switching off analogue terrestrial transmitters within the next year - no other forms of analogue television in Germany are under any immediate threat.

But, in Germany the broadcast situation is entirely different to the UK.

In the UK, analogue terrestrial is the bread and butter broadcasting standard. The majority of the country still uses it as their only method of TV reception. And amongst those with some form of digital TV, almost everyone still uses it to some extent, and despite 5 years of digital broadcasting some regional level services are only available this way (a situation which does not look about to change). Consequently, we necessarily have an extremely well developed analogue terrestrial transmitter network - 98% of the country is within range of an analogue transmitter. In the UK, analogue terrestrial is so common that it is classed as 'normal telly' with anything else still being seen an alternative addon.

In Germany, the situation is entirely different. The analogue terrestrial transmitter network was never built up to the same level - huge expanses of the country get zilch through an aerial. Analogue satellite is the way most people watch their TV - the reason you sometimes see the same things on different channels on Astra 1 is that most of the stations on there are actually part of a regional network (a true regional network too, not an excuse for one as ITV has become here) which is carried on satellite so that people can watch their local station - and that is how most people do it.

Phasing out analogue terrestrial in Germany is certainly the beginning of the end for analogue, but it's not going to have anything like the impact that ending it here soon would have. It's significant yes, but it's not going to effectively kill off analogue TV as it would here.

With the way the UK market is however, don't expect analogue terrestrial to disappear any time soon - I will be amazed if it's not still around 10 years from now.
This Is Granada1,705 posts since 4 Jan 2003
cocknotch posted:
I do agree that there should be some sort of "killer" channel that is on Freeview which would attract a lot people to DTT.

If you look at the spread of content that's already available, the one glaring omission is definitely some sort of film or dedicated drama channel.

At the end of the day, the faster DTT take up happens, the sooner we get analogue switch off.... it's already started to happen in Germany !


Yes!!! The Killer channel. what sort of idents/dogs would that have? No, your right co*knotch. Once DTT has a good channel, it will be on to a winner.
Matt352 posts since 25 Mar 2001
Digital Spy are reporting a response from CBM themselves and unfortunately they are planning to take this to the ITC.

Fair enough - they have a reason to: they must have spent a lot of money setting the channel up, just to be told to poke it.

But if the ITC agree with them, then Crown Castle could be forced into accepting the channel against their will. They've even started talking about breach of contract!

I thought this was a good thing - perhaps a decent channel(s) for the Freeview line up - but if they complain - they might get back in. Fingers Crossed they don't.
cwathen3,383 posts since 27 Dec 2001
OK, I'm a little confused now. I thought the CBM operation had collapsed, but apparantly, Crown Castle just arbitrarily decided that Channel 22 was worth more than CBM and dumped them. And CBM apparantly have a contract for carriage.

It's surely an open and shut case then, CBM will win. Whatever you may think of CBM (I can't say I'm that excited about them) the fact is that they WERE there after a DTT slot and Crown Castle DID sign a contract to say they could broadcast. They have been treated unfairly in this case.

I would love UK Gold et al up on DTT and I'd hate that what sounds like crap like CBM are keeping them out, but the fact is that UKTV didn't think it worthwhile to look into carrying UK Gold 12 months ago, and CBM did decide that they wanted to broadcast. And honestly anyone thinking that CBM are taking up a valuable position which could be filled by a better channel is kidding themselves - in all likelihood you can either have CBM (or similar waste of space) or you can have nothing at all - the better channels are hardly queing up to transmit FTA on DTT are they?
CyberCD421 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Having read the piece from CBM on Digital Spy, I'm beginning to think the Turner: TCM/Boomerang/CNN deal is back on, particularly because of their mention of time-shifted channels. I think at least one of these three may appear, possibly with some content provided by Disney (not necessarily kids stuff, I should point out).

Probably not UK Gold though Sad
A former member
The cynic in me says; was there ever going to be a CBM?

It could just have been made up by Crown as a bargaining chip for the spare channel. Perhaps this was the plan all along?

Of all the companies that would be interested in a DTT slot, they went for a tiny independant production company with no track record of broadcasting... does that make any sense at all?