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I can't make up my mind. Is Tumble Tower for real?
He's one of three possibilities in my opinion.
1) A very sad 30-something year-old man with no life.
2) A kid who has been let loose to run riot on the internet (that'd explain why he only appears at weekends).
3) One of the old trolls making a reappearance.
He's one of three possibilities in my opinion.
1) A very sad 30-something year-old man with no life.
2) A kid who has been let loose to run riot on the internet (that'd explain why he only appears at weekends).
3) One of the old trolls making a reappearance.
DA
Hi Tumble Tower. I was just looking at your code and I was wondering if you could give us all a little more insight in to how you decided to use I for ITV? Did you give any consideration to something along the lines of G for Granada or Y for Yorkshire instead? It seems that in the early 80s when this code was being devised this would have been the way to go. Although less useful now, people still say "I am in the M (Meridian) region" etc.
Other broadcasters
D = Discovery
E = EMAP (for some forthcoming codes I've yet to issue)
F = Flextech (now replaced with V for Virgin Media)
G = God channels
M = MTV Europe
N = Nickelodeon (for some forthcoming codes I've yet to issue)
Q = QVC
S = Sky
U = UKTV
X = Television X channels
Z = Zee channels
Hello again, Tumble Tower. I can see the logic of these codes but I have a few questions and suggestions, if you don't mind.
EMAP - I notice you haven't issued any of these codes yet. I wonder, is the EMAP code still in the consultation period? I would suggest that most people (outside of places like TVForum and Digital Spy of course) couldn't name an EMAP channel if asked. The channels don't make a big thing about being owned and operated by EMAP on air. Even some of the regular viewers of something like The Hits wouldn't know it was operated by EMAP and would therefore find this code confusing.
Flextech - Again, many of the concerns I had over the EMAP code can be repeated here. Does the average person on the street know that Virgin Media operate Challenge? My guess is probably not. Using this code, you would not only need to explain your code system to them but also the fact that Virgin Media own Challenge.
"God Channels" - As far as I know there is no broadcaster called "God Channels". You seem to have changed your system for this code. It should be something like this.
A = Angel Foundation (who broadcast GOD and GOD Europe)
W = Wonderful Network (who broadcast Wonderful Television)
T = TBN Europe (who broadcast TBN)
DS = Daystar (who broadcast Daystar, can't be D as you already used D for Discovery)
I could go on, but I am sure you can see my point about G not being a good code for "God Channels"
X - I would be interested in seeing your full list of Television X channels. I believe there are over 10 of them. What order do you put them in and why?
For each broadcaster, a channel code must be assigned to each of that broadcaster's channels. Take BBC. There are EIGHT BBC TV channels in the UK. Remember, that's what Auntie said in the Freeview trailers late 2002. Here are the channel codes for the eight BBC TV channels.
SNIP BBC television channels available in the UK
Also, the BBC has several national radio networks, and here are the channel codes for those.
SNIP BBC radio channels
Now, in each case you combine the broadcaster code (B for BBC), with the appropriate channel code to get the full code.
B + 1 = B1 -> BBC1
B + 2 = B2 -> BBC2
B + 3 = B3 -> BBC3
B + 4 = B4 -> BBC4
B + 5 = B5 -> CBBC
B + 6 = B6 -> CBeebies
B + 7 = B7 -> BBC News 24
B + 8 = B8 -> BBC Parliament
B + R1 = BR1 -> BBC Radio 1
B + R1X = BR1X -> 1Xtra BBC
B + R2 = BR2 -> BBC Radio 2
B + R3 = BR3 -> BBC Radio 3
B + R4 = BR4 -> BBC Radio 4
B + R5 = BR5 -> BBC Radio 5 Live
B + R5X = BR5X -> BBC 5 Live Sports Extra
B + R6 = BR6 -> BBC 6 Music
B + R7 = BR7 -> BBC 7 (as in radio)
B + R8 = BR8 -> BBC Asian Network
B + R9 = BR9 -> BBC World Service
Do you now understand how I built up my set of codes for the BBC family of TV and radio channels? Surely if I've used 1 to 4 for BBC1, BBC2, BBC3, and BBC4, it's only logical to continue using numbers 5 to 8 for the remaining four BBC TV channels (CBBC, CBeebies, BBC News 24, BBC Parliament), is it not?
For it to be logical, you must use the same system for all channels. As I have pointed out above, you haven't.
It's the same for ITV channels:
Broadcaster code: I = ITV
Channel codes:
1 = ITV1
2 = ITV2
3 = ITV3
4 = ITV4
5 = CITV
6 = ITV Play
You haven't issued a channel code for Men and Motors.
By combining the broadcaster code (I = ITV) with the relevant channel code, you get the full code for each channel:
I + 1 = I1 -> ITV1
I + 2 = I2 -> ITV2
I + 3 = I3 -> ITV3
I + 4 = I4 -> ITV4
I + 5 = I5 -> CITV
I + 6 = I6 -> ITV Play
Of course, ITV Play no longer exists. I could nonetheless reuse code I6 if ITV launch another new channel.
Do you think it is wise to reuse codes? People will still talk about I6 (ITV Play) even if it doesn't exist. Maybe the codes should not be reused for at least 50 years?
So you see, these codes do follow a logical system. I know some of them are a little tricky, e.g. the Virgin channel codes such as VB1 for Bravo, V1 for Ftn, but once you learn it all, it becomes self explanatory. They DO have their uses, for texting on a mobile, in conversation it's surely quicker to say B1 instead of BBC1, B6 instead of CBeebies or UG1 instead of UKTV Gold. I appreciate 4E is as long as E4 to say (albeit reversed), but that's the logic of the system for you.
As pointed out above, some of the system doesn't seem very logical at all but then maybe I am just misunderstaning something. I haven't had over 20 years experience of these codes like you have. Please don't see my post as critical, I want to use your code but I need the points and questions above addressed before I am 100% happy with it.
Going forward, I suggest the following...
You should setup a committee to decide on channel codes. You have done a great job so far but I think this job is far too big for one person to handle on their own. The committee could meet a few times a year to decide on codes for new channels. I believe that Ofcom would fund this committe (you would need money for tea and biscuits etc.) and the government are very likely to pass a law that states no channel can launch before it has a channel code.
In the future, set-top boxes and televisions will come with a remote control with a full qwerty keyboard. When someone wants to watch Bullseye on FTN, they will no longer have to go to all the trouble of typing 153 or 20, they will just type V1. Simple!
You should also think of a name for this coding system. Its no good calling it "Tumble Tower's Channel Code". It needs a more professional name.
Don't forget to patent it and apply for an ISO too.
Hope this helps. Good luck.
Tumble Tower posted:
OK, here goes. The way my coding system works IS logical. There are TWO parts really, a
broadcaster code
and
channel code
.
So far, I have devised broadcaster codes for several broadcasters:
PSB broadcasters
B = BBC
I = ITV
4 = Channel 4 Television
5 = Channel 5 Broadcasting
So far, I have devised broadcaster codes for several broadcasters:
PSB broadcasters
B = BBC
I = ITV
4 = Channel 4 Television
5 = Channel 5 Broadcasting
Hi Tumble Tower. I was just looking at your code and I was wondering if you could give us all a little more insight in to how you decided to use I for ITV? Did you give any consideration to something along the lines of G for Granada or Y for Yorkshire instead? It seems that in the early 80s when this code was being devised this would have been the way to go. Although less useful now, people still say "I am in the M (Meridian) region" etc.
Tumble Tower posted:
Other broadcasters
D = Discovery
E = EMAP (for some forthcoming codes I've yet to issue)
F = Flextech (now replaced with V for Virgin Media)
G = God channels
M = MTV Europe
N = Nickelodeon (for some forthcoming codes I've yet to issue)
Q = QVC
S = Sky
U = UKTV
X = Television X channels
Z = Zee channels
Hello again, Tumble Tower. I can see the logic of these codes but I have a few questions and suggestions, if you don't mind.
EMAP - I notice you haven't issued any of these codes yet. I wonder, is the EMAP code still in the consultation period? I would suggest that most people (outside of places like TVForum and Digital Spy of course) couldn't name an EMAP channel if asked. The channels don't make a big thing about being owned and operated by EMAP on air. Even some of the regular viewers of something like The Hits wouldn't know it was operated by EMAP and would therefore find this code confusing.
Flextech - Again, many of the concerns I had over the EMAP code can be repeated here. Does the average person on the street know that Virgin Media operate Challenge? My guess is probably not. Using this code, you would not only need to explain your code system to them but also the fact that Virgin Media own Challenge.
"God Channels" - As far as I know there is no broadcaster called "God Channels". You seem to have changed your system for this code. It should be something like this.
A = Angel Foundation (who broadcast GOD and GOD Europe)
W = Wonderful Network (who broadcast Wonderful Television)
T = TBN Europe (who broadcast TBN)
DS = Daystar (who broadcast Daystar, can't be D as you already used D for Discovery)
I could go on, but I am sure you can see my point about G not being a good code for "God Channels"
X - I would be interested in seeing your full list of Television X channels. I believe there are over 10 of them. What order do you put them in and why?
Tumble Tower posted:
For each broadcaster, a channel code must be assigned to each of that broadcaster's channels. Take BBC. There are EIGHT BBC TV channels in the UK. Remember, that's what Auntie said in the Freeview trailers late 2002. Here are the channel codes for the eight BBC TV channels.
SNIP BBC television channels available in the UK
Also, the BBC has several national radio networks, and here are the channel codes for those.
SNIP BBC radio channels
Now, in each case you combine the broadcaster code (B for BBC), with the appropriate channel code to get the full code.
B + 1 = B1 -> BBC1
B + 2 = B2 -> BBC2
B + 3 = B3 -> BBC3
B + 4 = B4 -> BBC4
B + 5 = B5 -> CBBC
B + 6 = B6 -> CBeebies
B + 7 = B7 -> BBC News 24
B + 8 = B8 -> BBC Parliament
B + R1 = BR1 -> BBC Radio 1
B + R1X = BR1X -> 1Xtra BBC
B + R2 = BR2 -> BBC Radio 2
B + R3 = BR3 -> BBC Radio 3
B + R4 = BR4 -> BBC Radio 4
B + R5 = BR5 -> BBC Radio 5 Live
B + R5X = BR5X -> BBC 5 Live Sports Extra
B + R6 = BR6 -> BBC 6 Music
B + R7 = BR7 -> BBC 7 (as in radio)
B + R8 = BR8 -> BBC Asian Network
B + R9 = BR9 -> BBC World Service
Do you now understand how I built up my set of codes for the BBC family of TV and radio channels? Surely if I've used 1 to 4 for BBC1, BBC2, BBC3, and BBC4, it's only logical to continue using numbers 5 to 8 for the remaining four BBC TV channels (CBBC, CBeebies, BBC News 24, BBC Parliament), is it not?
For it to be logical, you must use the same system for all channels. As I have pointed out above, you haven't.
Tumble Tower posted:
It's the same for ITV channels:
Broadcaster code: I = ITV
Channel codes:
1 = ITV1
2 = ITV2
3 = ITV3
4 = ITV4
5 = CITV
6 = ITV Play
You haven't issued a channel code for Men and Motors.
Tumble Tower posted:
By combining the broadcaster code (I = ITV) with the relevant channel code, you get the full code for each channel:
I + 1 = I1 -> ITV1
I + 2 = I2 -> ITV2
I + 3 = I3 -> ITV3
I + 4 = I4 -> ITV4
I + 5 = I5 -> CITV
I + 6 = I6 -> ITV Play
Of course, ITV Play no longer exists. I could nonetheless reuse code I6 if ITV launch another new channel.
Do you think it is wise to reuse codes? People will still talk about I6 (ITV Play) even if it doesn't exist. Maybe the codes should not be reused for at least 50 years?
Tumble Tower posted:
So you see, these codes do follow a logical system. I know some of them are a little tricky, e.g. the Virgin channel codes such as VB1 for Bravo, V1 for Ftn, but once you learn it all, it becomes self explanatory. They DO have their uses, for texting on a mobile, in conversation it's surely quicker to say B1 instead of BBC1, B6 instead of CBeebies or UG1 instead of UKTV Gold. I appreciate 4E is as long as E4 to say (albeit reversed), but that's the logic of the system for you.
As pointed out above, some of the system doesn't seem very logical at all but then maybe I am just misunderstaning something. I haven't had over 20 years experience of these codes like you have. Please don't see my post as critical, I want to use your code but I need the points and questions above addressed before I am 100% happy with it.
Going forward, I suggest the following...
You should setup a committee to decide on channel codes. You have done a great job so far but I think this job is far too big for one person to handle on their own. The committee could meet a few times a year to decide on codes for new channels. I believe that Ofcom would fund this committe (you would need money for tea and biscuits etc.) and the government are very likely to pass a law that states no channel can launch before it has a channel code.
In the future, set-top boxes and televisions will come with a remote control with a full qwerty keyboard. When someone wants to watch Bullseye on FTN, they will no longer have to go to all the trouble of typing 153 or 20, they will just type V1. Simple!
You should also think of a name for this coding system. Its no good calling it "Tumble Tower's Channel Code". It needs a more professional name.
Don't forget to patent it and apply for an ISO too.
Hope this helps. Good luck.
TT
No, it shouldn't be and why couldn't you forget? It wasn't anything groundbreaking or even that notable unless it was something you mean to mention to your psychoanalyst if you were slightly precognitive given your evident downfall in later years.
Why not? It was only logical, in my opinion, to use B1 for BBC1 and B2 for BBC2, followed by I1 for ITV (regardless of franchise) and I2 for Channel 4.
Keen eye there, Sherlock. Got a new TV around that time I reckon, no?
No I didn't get a new TV in the early nineties. However I got my first VCR, a Matsui one Xmas 1995 (which I replaced with a Panasonic NV-HD630 in October 1998), and Mitsubishi 25" colour TV in October 1996.
Did the advent of digital not serve as notice to your fraying sanity that this code idea wasn't working and was barely flexible in it's general use? I mean, it links directly back to how TV sets identified their channels in the early 80s! What made you think it'd work, what?!
Well I did notice that I was going to face a few problems with coding certain new channels at the dawn of digital. ITV2 would be straightforward when that launched at 7.00pm on 7 December 1998 (source TV and Radio Bits Key Dates) - now that the real ITV2 had finally arrived, that logically could take the code I2, which I'd previously used for Channel 4 (the "pseudo ITV2" of the time) from autumn 1986 to early 1990s. On the other hand, when BBC News 24 launched in autumn 1997 (initially analogue cable only), I did wonder what to call that - B24, BN or goodness knows what else. In the end, by the time I launched my "TV Channels: A Shorthand Code" thread on Digital Spy Forums in February 2006, I decided to call that B7, in keeping with the sequence of the other BBC channels:
B1 = BBC1
B2 = BBC2
B3 = BBC3
B4 = BBC4
B5 = CBBC
B6 = CBeebies
B7 = BBC News 24
B8 = BBC Parliament
Do you not look at this sentence and the link and wonder exactly why the general machinations of your mind took such a wrong turn? Nice to know I coulda used Lynx to get to DS in '86 though, didn't know it had such a legacy.
Oops!
I actually meant I started the said thread on Digital Spy Forums in February
2006
. Putting 1986 there was a careless mistake on my part, if only I'd checked my typing before submitting the post I'd have soon corrected that. To be precise, I started it at 23:24 hours GMT on 18 February 2006 - approximately 25 years after I
thought
I heard my teacher say "B2".
Nini posted:
Tumble Tower posted:
I was now at secondary school, and still couldn't forget the aforementioined moment. It dawned on me, I could add to what I thought I heard in 1981. If B2 = BBC2, then it should be B1 = BBC1. Regarding the IBA channels, how about
I1 = ITV1
I2 = Channel 4 / S4C.
I1 = ITV1
I2 = Channel 4 / S4C.
No, it shouldn't be and why couldn't you forget? It wasn't anything groundbreaking or even that notable unless it was something you mean to mention to your psychoanalyst if you were slightly precognitive given your evident downfall in later years.
Why not? It was only logical, in my opinion, to use B1 for BBC1 and B2 for BBC2, followed by I1 for ITV (regardless of franchise) and I2 for Channel 4.
Nini posted:
Tumble Tower posted:
By the nineties, I realised C4 would be a more appropriate code for Channel 4 (but overlooked S4C). When Channel 5 launched, C5 would be the code to use.
Keen eye there, Sherlock. Got a new TV around that time I reckon, no?
No I didn't get a new TV in the early nineties. However I got my first VCR, a Matsui one Xmas 1995 (which I replaced with a Panasonic NV-HD630 in October 1998), and Mitsubishi 25" colour TV in October 1996.
Nini posted:
Tumble Tower posted:
When BBC News 24 launched, I wondered what I'd do about a code for that. Then along came BBC Choice, BBC Knowledge and BBC Parliament.
Did the advent of digital not serve as notice to your fraying sanity that this code idea wasn't working and was barely flexible in it's general use? I mean, it links directly back to how TV sets identified their channels in the early 80s! What made you think it'd work, what?!
Well I did notice that I was going to face a few problems with coding certain new channels at the dawn of digital. ITV2 would be straightforward when that launched at 7.00pm on 7 December 1998 (source TV and Radio Bits Key Dates) - now that the real ITV2 had finally arrived, that logically could take the code I2, which I'd previously used for Channel 4 (the "pseudo ITV2" of the time) from autumn 1986 to early 1990s. On the other hand, when BBC News 24 launched in autumn 1997 (initially analogue cable only), I did wonder what to call that - B24, BN or goodness knows what else. In the end, by the time I launched my "TV Channels: A Shorthand Code" thread on Digital Spy Forums in February 2006, I decided to call that B7, in keeping with the sequence of the other BBC channels:
B1 = BBC1
B2 = BBC2
B3 = BBC3
B4 = BBC4
B5 = CBBC
B6 = CBeebies
B7 = BBC News 24
B8 = BBC Parliament
Nini posted:
Tumble Tower posted:
I then launched my thread "TV Channels - A Shorthand Code" on Digital Spy Forums in February 1986, a quarter of a century after it all started with what I thought my teacher said.
Do you not look at this sentence and the link and wonder exactly why the general machinations of your mind took such a wrong turn? Nice to know I coulda used Lynx to get to DS in '86 though, didn't know it had such a legacy.
Oops!
I actually meant I started the said thread on Digital Spy Forums in February
2006
. Putting 1986 there was a careless mistake on my part, if only I'd checked my typing before submitting the post I'd have soon corrected that. To be precise, I started it at 23:24 hours GMT on 18 February 2006 - approximately 25 years after I
thought
I heard my teacher say "B2".
PT
No I didn't get a new TV in the early nineties. However I got my first VCR, a Matsui one Xmas 1995 (which I replaced with a Panasonic NV-HD630 in October 1998), and Mitsubishi 25" colour TV in October 1996.
Do you still have the Mitsubishi 25" colour TV that you so purchased in October of 1996 or have you now upgraded to a Samsung LE26R74BDX - 26'' HD Ready LCD TV - With Freeview built in? Amazon had these ready from Wednesday 12th July 2006.
You're an idiot.
Tumble Tower posted:
No I didn't get a new TV in the early nineties. However I got my first VCR, a Matsui one Xmas 1995 (which I replaced with a Panasonic NV-HD630 in October 1998), and Mitsubishi 25" colour TV in October 1996.
Do you still have the Mitsubishi 25" colour TV that you so purchased in October of 1996 or have you now upgraded to a Samsung LE26R74BDX - 26'' HD Ready LCD TV - With Freeview built in? Amazon had these ready from Wednesday 12th July 2006.
You're an idiot.
TT
No I didn't get a new TV in the early nineties. However I got my first VCR, a Matsui one Xmas 1995 (which I replaced with a Panasonic NV-HD630 in October 1998), and Mitsubishi 25" colour TV in October 1996.
Do you still have the Mitsubishi 25" colour TV that you so purchased in October of 1996 or have you now upgraded to a Samsung LE26R74BDX - 26'' HD Ready LCD TV - With Freeview built in? Amazon had these ready from Wednesday 12th July 2006.
Yes I still have the Mitsubishi 25" colour TV, and the Panasonic NV-HD630. However in June 2002, I bought a Pace DTVA to get DTT on it (I connected the DTVA to the VCR). In autumn 2004 I got myself a Panasonic HDD/DVD recorder, but it died last summer, so I replaced it last November (2006) with a LG RH 177 DVD/HDD recorder. As long as the TV works, why replace it?
nok32uk posted:
Tumble Tower posted:
No I didn't get a new TV in the early nineties. However I got my first VCR, a Matsui one Xmas 1995 (which I replaced with a Panasonic NV-HD630 in October 1998), and Mitsubishi 25" colour TV in October 1996.
Do you still have the Mitsubishi 25" colour TV that you so purchased in October of 1996 or have you now upgraded to a Samsung LE26R74BDX - 26'' HD Ready LCD TV - With Freeview built in? Amazon had these ready from Wednesday 12th July 2006.
Yes I still have the Mitsubishi 25" colour TV, and the Panasonic NV-HD630. However in June 2002, I bought a Pace DTVA to get DTT on it (I connected the DTVA to the VCR). In autumn 2004 I got myself a Panasonic HDD/DVD recorder, but it died last summer, so I replaced it last November (2006) with a LG RH 177 DVD/HDD recorder. As long as the TV works, why replace it?
TT
Hi Tumble Tower. I was just looking at your code and I was wondering if you could give us all a little more insight in to how you decided to use I for ITV? Did you give any consideration to something along the lines of G for Granada or Y for Yorkshire instead? It seems that in the early 80s when this code was being devised this would have been the way to go. Although less useful now, people still say "I am in the M (Meridian) region" etc.
Back in autumn 1986, there were 14 ITV regions: Ulster, Grampian, Scottish, Border, Tyne Tees, Yorkshire, Granada, Central, Anglia, London (Thames/LWT), HTV, TVS, TSW, Channel. No matter which ITV region you were in (in some cases it was possible to get two or more regions), they were all ITV regions, and hence they were all I1 as far as my coding scheme was concerned. There were NOT different codes for HTV, TSW, TVS, Central, Anglia etc. Take for example, if you were in the TVS region, the code was I1. After Meridian took over on 1 January 1993, it was still I1.
davidlees posted:
Tumble Tower posted:
OK, here goes. The way my coding system works IS logical. There are TWO parts really, a
broadcaster code
and
channel code
.
So far, I have devised broadcaster codes for several broadcasters:
PSB broadcasters
B = BBC
I = ITV
4 = Channel 4 Television
5 = Channel 5 Broadcasting
So far, I have devised broadcaster codes for several broadcasters:
PSB broadcasters
B = BBC
I = ITV
4 = Channel 4 Television
5 = Channel 5 Broadcasting
Hi Tumble Tower. I was just looking at your code and I was wondering if you could give us all a little more insight in to how you decided to use I for ITV? Did you give any consideration to something along the lines of G for Granada or Y for Yorkshire instead? It seems that in the early 80s when this code was being devised this would have been the way to go. Although less useful now, people still say "I am in the M (Meridian) region" etc.
Back in autumn 1986, there were 14 ITV regions: Ulster, Grampian, Scottish, Border, Tyne Tees, Yorkshire, Granada, Central, Anglia, London (Thames/LWT), HTV, TVS, TSW, Channel. No matter which ITV region you were in (in some cases it was possible to get two or more regions), they were all ITV regions, and hence they were all I1 as far as my coding scheme was concerned. There were NOT different codes for HTV, TSW, TVS, Central, Anglia etc. Take for example, if you were in the TVS region, the code was I1. After Meridian took over on 1 January 1993, it was still I1.
LL
I still remain to be convinced as to whether Tumble Tower is for real, or someone (maybe an old forummer) having a joke at everyone's expense.
Scarily, though, I think it's the former.
Scarily, though, I think it's the former.
TT
No. The codes you quote were probably used by Oracle. I remember page 100 on ITV was headed
ITV ORACLE ITV
whilst page 200, in the HTV region was
HTV ORACLE HTV
In TVS it was
TVS ORACLE TVS
I only ever saw HTV and TVS. I guess TSW would have been
TSW ORACLE TSW
Trouble is, at the time I wondered what they'd do with Central or Granada. I guess you mean, in the Central region, they put
CEN ORACLE CEN
on page 200.
What I mean was that in MY scheme of things, back in the late eighities:
B1 = BBC1
B2 = BBC2
I1= ITV (any region)
I2 = Channel 4
I was using the code I1 to represent ITV, regardless of which region it was (TSW, TVS, HTV, Central, Scottish etc.).
russnet posted:
You on cloud cuckoo land or sommat?
There was some sort of coding back then especially through the ORACLE era. Anglia was known as ANG, Granada known as GRA. Thames known as LON, Central known as CEN as so on.
There was some sort of coding back then especially through the ORACLE era. Anglia was known as ANG, Granada known as GRA. Thames known as LON, Central known as CEN as so on.
No. The codes you quote were probably used by Oracle. I remember page 100 on ITV was headed
ITV ORACLE ITV
whilst page 200, in the HTV region was
HTV ORACLE HTV
In TVS it was
TVS ORACLE TVS
I only ever saw HTV and TVS. I guess TSW would have been
TSW ORACLE TSW
Trouble is, at the time I wondered what they'd do with Central or Granada. I guess you mean, in the Central region, they put
CEN ORACLE CEN
on page 200.
What I mean was that in MY scheme of things, back in the late eighities:
B1 = BBC1
B2 = BBC2
I1= ITV (any region)
I2 = Channel 4
I was using the code I1 to represent ITV, regardless of which region it was (TSW, TVS, HTV, Central, Scottish etc.).
JO
What I mean was that in MY scheme of things, back in the late eighities:
B1 = BBC1
B2 = BBC2
I1= ITV (any region)
I2 = Channel 4
Yes because it would kill you to write/speak one or two extra letters
Even worse is Channel 4; I2? For goodness sake why not C4? It is clear logic was never present in the creation of these bizarre and absurd codes which you think everyone cares about. Wake up:
nobody cares
, you are 'issuing' these codes to yourself and we unfortuante people have to endure you tirelessly promoting them as if you think they will catch on. Grow up.
Tumble Tower posted:
What I mean was that in MY scheme of things, back in the late eighities:
B1 = BBC1
B2 = BBC2
I1= ITV (any region)
I2 = Channel 4
Yes because it would kill you to write/speak one or two extra letters
Even worse is Channel 4; I2? For goodness sake why not C4? It is clear logic was never present in the creation of these bizarre and absurd codes which you think everyone cares about. Wake up:
nobody cares
, you are 'issuing' these codes to yourself and we unfortuante people have to endure you tirelessly promoting them as if you think they will catch on. Grow up.
TT
What I mean was that in MY scheme of things, back in the late eighities:
B1 = BBC1
B2 = BBC2
I1= ITV (any region)
I2 = Channel 4
Yes because it would kill you to write/speak one or two extra letters Even worse is Channel 4; I2? For goodness sake why not C4?
Well when I first started this coding scheme in 1986, I used I2 for Channel 4 because, at the time it was the ITV2 of the day for the following reasons:
1) The ITV franchise holder had to pay a Fourth Channel Subscription to Channel 4 (or S4C in the case of HTV Wales)
2) On ITV they said "Starting on Channel 4", and on Channel 4 they said "Starting on ITV"
3) The fourth button on many TVs, which people used for Channel 4, was marked ITV2.
As we all know, it took until the digital age for the real ITV2 to appear (which I've since coded I2).
By the early nineties, I replaced I2 for Channel 4 with C4 for Channel 4, and in 1997 C5 for Channel 5. Snag is, under my coding structure (broadcater code + channel code) that implies both belong to one broadcaster, which they don't.
Therefore, as of February this year, I have coded the Channel 4 Television family of channels as follows:
4C = Channel 4
4E = E4
4F = Film 4
4M = More 4
... and the Channel 5 Broadcasting channels as follows:
51 = Five
5L = Five Life
5U = Five US
plucky duck92 posted:
Tumble Tower posted:
What I mean was that in MY scheme of things, back in the late eighities:
B1 = BBC1
B2 = BBC2
I1= ITV (any region)
I2 = Channel 4
Yes because it would kill you to write/speak one or two extra letters
Even worse is Channel 4; I2? For goodness sake why not C4?
Well when I first started this coding scheme in 1986, I used I2 for Channel 4 because, at the time it was the ITV2 of the day for the following reasons:
1) The ITV franchise holder had to pay a Fourth Channel Subscription to Channel 4 (or S4C in the case of HTV Wales)
2) On ITV they said "Starting on Channel 4", and on Channel 4 they said "Starting on ITV"
3) The fourth button on many TVs, which people used for Channel 4, was marked ITV2.
As we all know, it took until the digital age for the real ITV2 to appear (which I've since coded I2).
By the early nineties, I replaced I2 for Channel 4 with C4 for Channel 4, and in 1997 C5 for Channel 5. Snag is, under my coding structure (broadcater code + channel code) that implies both belong to one broadcaster, which they don't.
Therefore, as of February this year, I have coded the Channel 4 Television family of channels as follows:
4C = Channel 4
4E = E4
4F = Film 4
4M = More 4
... and the Channel 5 Broadcasting channels as follows:
51 = Five
5L = Five Life
5U = Five US