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A what if...? (March 2015)

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NL
Ne1L C
This idea of the "ITV Network" is a misnomer, BT reconfigured it several times a day depending on the particular requirements. The regional stations weren't able to go on air during TV-AM time, it was only once GMTV took over and introduced regional news that they were connected to the transmitters via the regional company.

ITV do have a lot of eggs in one basket with so much of the daytime schedule being live from the South Bank, I would imagine there is a plan B for Chiswick/Leeds to play out pre-recorded standby programmes.


Very true. If London was affected then ITV would be in a real pickle. GMB, This Morning etc would be all out. It'd be interesting to see what would be broadcasted instead.
RS
Rob_Schneider
I'm sure there was one occasion during the Carlton era where Gas Street suffered a power failure or similar so the Midlands were fed London instead. I'm guessing there was no facility for Lenton Lane to pick up TX at this point.
SP
Steve in Pudsey
The BBC nations have reciprocal arrangements with each other.

BBC1 Northern Ireland Ident - Capes (with Wales): https://youtu.be/GM7rTfkdz0g

That's interesting that NI are the back up for Wales. Would it not be less obvious on screen if they defaulted to the network feed from London?


I think on that occasion NI's schedule was more similar to what Wales were intending to show than network's.

BBC Scotland took some flack for putting out London News in lieu of Reporting Scotland when the fire alarm went off during the Six, they just stayed with the dirty network feed until they were back in the building and able to start Rep Scot. Nowadays they would get the News Channel, but it might be that the arrangement for another nation to sustain was a result of that.

I believe the nations can, with a bit of notice, run a separate service for a nation that is having trouble, they each have a spare continuity suite and copies of each others' idents, if so BBC1 Wales might be from NI and BBC 2 Wales from Scotland.
MK
Mr Kite
Going back to the old ITV network in the TV:AM days; I understand that the regional TV stations were connected to their respective transmitters via BT Tower in London and that when it came to switching between them and TV:AM, or Thames and LTW, this involved pulling out a cable in the tower and plugging another one in, in its place. So, if the ITV stations relied on BT Tower to link them to its transmitters and the tower went down in this London-wide power outage, then that suggests all regional ITV companies would be cut off.
GE
thegeek Founding member
How reliant is Salford on London for Breakfast? Does the BH equivalent of SCAR look after contributions into the programme for example or are they relatively self contained?

MCR2 are still involved in creating packages in BNCS, but the gallery in Salford then select them themselves.

On the subject of BBC nations supporting each other - one morning the sync pulse generator in Glasgow went a bit wonky, which meant they were unable to opt during Breakfast. Belfast fired up a spare pres suite, took in the London sustaining feed and the Bulletin Control Room from Glasgow, and their 'reserve' BBC 1 Scotland was fed to Coding & Mux. It was all fixed just after 9 o'clock, but it did come very close to the 0915 junction being broadcast with Scottish trails and idents and marksi's voice on the announcement.
Steve in Pudsey and Richard gave kudos
SP
Steve in Pudsey
Not via BT Tower, but certainly via the local BT switching centre (for Thames/LWT that was BT Tower of course).

Same applied to the BBC stations until a few years ago.
MK
Mr Kite
This also reminds me of a time in the 'ITV Hearts' era when something went massively wrong during This Morning. It went off air for ages, with Granada (GMG North) showing a generic ITV-branded hearts caption with music, along with the continuity announcer, possibly Bob Preedy, periodically apologising for the problems. This was around 2000 or 2001. I could get fringe reception from both Yorkshire & HTV Wales. Yorkshire was showing the exact same thing as Granada, as you would expect. HTV had a static image of a baby that looked not too disimilar to the Nirvana 'Nevermind' album cover. The baby was probably not in water but the reception was snowy (this was analogue, of course). HTV had their own music over this and their own CA periodically apologising. After a good 10/15 minutes of this, HTV Wales put some other programme on, though I've no idea what it would've been. GMG North just kept the same slide throughout. Then, perhaps another 10/15 minutes or so, HTV Wales somehow got This Morning back. This was a long time before GMG North did though and I think it was a good half an hour or so later that they finally got back to the programme. I remember watching This Morning on this snowy HTV Wales channel and Judy talking about something in or of Yorkshire and finding it ironic that no one from Yorkshire was watching.

Anyone know what would have caused what happened on this day or why HTV Wales got the programme back a good while before GMG North did?
MA
Markymark
Not via BT Tower, but certainly via the local BT switching centre (for Thames/LWT that was BT Tower of course).


Which, (going back to the original post) how TV-am managed to get on
the air on Oct 16th 1987 from Thames. I suspect BT were able to connect
Thames to the rest of the network quite easily, Thames obviously had
power, as did the BT Tower. Also, it's a very short distance between
where Thames was at Euston and the BT Tower, just a few hundred yards,
so the cable would have had no active (i.e mains powered) booster points.

How much of the UK saw the emergency broadcasts on BBC 1 and ITV
that morning I wonder? Presumably as long as the BT paths made it out
of the South East the only regions affected were South West, West, South,
South East and East ?

I'm in the Hannington Tx area, only BBC 1 was working from there, and
it was RBS'ing Crystal Palace. Rowridge (and therefore TVS and BBC South)
were dead, (and remained dead until about 21:00hrs that evening)

At 18:30 we got Newsroom SE from Elstree, and for our benefit there
was a five minute bulletin from Southampton presented by Bruce Parker.
TVS had an hour long edition of Coast to Coast presented by Fred Dinenage
and Fern Britton from Southampton, but it wasn't seen in the western half
of the region ironically

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9TbwH-Kb8bs#t=103

(What a miserable damp squib of a cheap programme Meridian News is today, compared to
almost 30 years ago, progress I presume !)
Last edited by Markymark on 15 March 2015 5:37pm - 2 times in total
IS
Inspector Sands
Can't speak for TV but I know a few years ago at Global if Leicester Square was unusable, the various Heart and Capital regional studios would house the various brands. Certainly, it is possible to put any studio in the group to any of the networks, so for example Heart could run from Brighton, Classic FM from Nottingham, Smooth from Birmingham, XFM from Manchester, LBC from Leeds.... You get the idea.

Before LBC became part of Global and were owned by Chrysalis they had a disaster recovery arrangement with TalkSport. There was one morning when TalkSport and LBC were coming from adjacent studios
RI
Richard
How reliant is Salford on London for Breakfast? Does the BH equivalent of SCAR look after contributions into the programme for example or are they relatively self contained?

MCR2 are still involved in creating packages in BNCS, but the gallery in Salford then select them themselves.

On the subject of BBC nations supporting each other - one morning the sync pulse generator in Glasgow went a bit wonky, which meant they were unable to opt during Breakfast. Belfast fired up a spare pres suite, took in the London sustaining feed and the Bulletin Control Room from Glasgow, and their 'reserve' BBC 1 Scotland was fed to Coding & Mux. It was all fixed just after 9 o'clock, but it did come very close to the 0915 junction being broadcast with Scottish trails and idents and marksi's voice on the announcement.


It really shows the attention to detail of the BBC that they would go to that trouble to ensure Scottish continuity for a programme which was presumably going out UK-wide (yes I know that network trails might have had the wrong time for Scottish viewers, but still...)
RI
Richard
I'm sure there was one occasion during the Carlton era where Gas Street suffered a power failure or similar so the Midlands were fed London instead. I'm guessing there was no facility for Lenton Lane to pick up TX at this point.


I seem to remember one occasion was at the weekend, so the Midlands got LWT for a while.
RI
Richard
Am I the only one who thought of Capital FM at first?


No, me too.

On the subject of BBC, I thought the Mailbox in Birmingham was the backup for continuity. I thought in 2000 whenever there was the big power failure at TVC, that News came from Millbank but was routed via Birmingham.

If something similar happened with news now would they still use Millbank for news or would they go elsewhere?

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