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C4 axe school programmes

(December 2007)

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JE
Jez Founding member
Sad news but not unexpected. From what I have seen C4 havent made much effort with schools programmes for quite some time. Saying they are axing them because they are shown at a time when students are in school ot college seems like a pathetic reason as they have always been shown that time.

Also when I was in primary school we never watched the programmes "live" - the teacher used to record them on video.
DV
dvboy
mulder posted:
Shame. S4C have been doing things differently though haven't they? So hopefully they will continue.


Most of S4C schools programming currently either simulcasts Channel 4 or they shift it by a week or two to match Welsh school holidays. If there is any Welsh-language schools programming it's outside of this time.
MU
mulder
nwtv2003 posted:

Simon I would have thought you knew it is infact the 50th Anniversary of Schools programmes on ITV and Channel 4 combined.


All the more reason for there to be a documentary made then! I'm really hopeing somebody like Victor Lewis Smith reads this thread... Wink
ST
stevek
Jez posted:
Sad news but not unexpected. From what I have seen C4 havent made much effort with schools programmes for quite some time. Saying they are axing them because they are shown at a time when students are in school ot college seems like a pathetic reason as they have always been shown that time.

Also when I was in primary school we never watched the programmes "live" - the teacher used to record them on video.


not if you were a kid in the 60s/ 70s they didn't. Wink
TV
tvarksouthwest
They had N1500s/N1700s in the 1970s - hence all the archive Schools pres which has turned up in recent years...
JE
Jez Founding member
stevek posted:
Jez posted:
Sad news but not unexpected. From what I have seen C4 havent made much effort with schools programmes for quite some time. Saying they are axing them because they are shown at a time when students are in school ot college seems like a pathetic reason as they have always been shown that time.

Also when I was in primary school we never watched the programmes "live" - the teacher used to record them on video.


lol - before my time Wink

not if you were a kid in the 60s/ 70s they didn't. Wink
NG
noggin Founding member
tvarksouthwest posted:
They had N1500s/N1700s in the 1970s - hence all the archive Schools pres which has turned up in recent years...


Yep - Philips VCR format (N1500 and 1700) were in use during the 70s in quite a few schools. Our school was using them well into the 80s.

Our first domestic VCR was a second hand 1700 - which we got in the summer of 1980... I can still remember watching the first recording we made on it - Sheen Easton being "discovered" by Esther Rantzen on "The Big Time" (think that is what it was called)

The 1700 delivered pretty good picture quality - if anything slightly better than VHS. That said our first VHS machine - a Hitachi we got in about 1982 - was almost good enough to record and replay teletext - and outperformed (in picture terms) the HQ models that followed...
HA
harshy Founding member
I remember at our school, they had very old recordings of How they used to live, it had a broadcast clock complete with YTV logo on it.
PT
Put The Telly On
Going off topic slightly to BBC2, I remember forever watching old editions of Zig Zag with Paul Coia and Landmarks in my History lessons. I used to be amazed at how they tried to implement computer animation at the time and how wonderful it was that they could interact with a talking robot who gave out information about the Romans!
MU
mulder
noggin posted:

The 1700 delivered pretty good picture quality - if anything slightly better than VHS.


Yep, just watching DVDs taken directly from old Philips tapes you'll notice that the quality was far superior to VHS. Betamax was pretty good too. Umatic was another format, which has turned up goodies like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyE45eaUwaI
GA
Gareth Founding member
I'll put my "I'm a teacher" hat on now....

We don't do "apppointment to view" and probably haven't for many years. The nature of how video is used in the classroom is also changing.

Teachers are more likely to use "clips" from videos rather than the whole programme. Especially as the people who make the schools programmes don't seem to have any idea that if you dress the people in odd clothing the class will go off track... never mind randomly odd library music in the background.

The BBC's "Class Clips" scheme is very useful and C4 have launched something similar.

I can't think the schools will miss the daytime service, overnight is useful as we can record fresh onto DVDs to replace our old, wearing out videos! - Yes contrary to many views we do occasionally have a DVD player or a laptop to play the DVD through.
TT
Tumble Tower
Inspector Sands posted:
Ben posted:
I'll agree the way these things are just happening so hastily isn't exactly the best way to deal with this.


Hastily? 'Schools' programming on both BBC2, C4 and BBC Radio has been decreasing steadily for many many years!

It does seem a bit of an anacronism these days. There's really no point in filling up the schedules of 2 national TV stations when it's much more efficient to send out DVDs or publish programmes on the internet.


What's wrong with Channel 4 broadcasting schools programmes from 4am to 6am two or three days a week in term time? No-one is watching then, surely. That's the perfect time to show schools programmes, so teachers can record them on VHS or DVD, to show to classes next day or whenever. BBC2 has its Learning Zone certain nights of the week, and I think some nights are still for schools.

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