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(February 2007)

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A former member
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6331781.stm

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TV news and children's programmes on commercial channels could be threatened by a plan to ban adverts in some shows, a House of Lords report has warned.

The European Union has proposed getting rid of ad breaks in all children's and news shows lasting 30 minutes or less.

The House of Lords European Union Committee said it was "concerned about the likely implications of these rules for free-to-air programming".

Commercial broadcasters ITV and Five have said their output will suffer.

"The economics of children's programming are fairly fragile already," said Martin Stott, Five's deputy head of corporate affairs, when giving evidence in October.

The application of a no-ads rule, he continued, would mean the channel would produce less original children's shows and have to rely on "cheaper imports".

'A very strange thing'

The impact on news broadcasting, said ITV's controller of regulatory affairs Magnus Brooke, would be no less grave.

The rules, he said, would "penalise the provision of core public service content and make it much harder to generate any revenue at all from providing that content".

The proposed rules, contained within the EU's Audiovisual Media Services Directive, says children's programming and news programmes should be interrupted only once every half hour "provided that such programmes exceed 30 minutes to begin with".

Because news and children's programmes typically tend to be 30 minutes long, said Mr Stott, "it would be impossible to have a commercial break".

Mr Brooke described the directive - which would affect all of ITV's main news bulletins - as a "very strange thing".

"There has been a centre break in the 10 o'clock news since 1967, with no obvious viewer detriment or complaint," he said.

MEPs narrowly voted in favour of the amendment in December 2006 by 324 to 323.

If the directive is approved by the EU, the UK will have three years to bring it into effect.
TE
tesandco Founding member
In all likelyhood there'd be nothing to stop ITV having a news programme 31 minutes long, and keeping the ad break as usual. It's just it'd be more convenient for them to say they have to scale things back as a result.

It's like the whole ban on junk food advertising thing. If anyone seriously thinks you'll never see McDonalds et all advertising onscreen again, they're living in a fantasy. There'd almost certainly be the McDonalds Healthy Happy Meal being promoted rather swiftly, as the big chains wouldn't risk losing the exposure. It's just easier as a commercial broadcaster to hide behind stuff like this as an excuse to scrap what they dont really want.
MI
Mich Founding member
Quote:

The European Union has proposed getting rid of ad breaks in all children's and news shows lasting 30 minutes or less.


Surely there is quite an easy work around for this - you technically have the programme CITV which features Programme X, Y, Z etc. The strand would be long enough to qualify for breaks and would mean the only way they would have to change would be scrap adverts during a specific programme which IMO is no bad thing.
LO
LONDON
tesandco posted:
In all likelyhood there'd be nothing to stop ITV having a news programme 31 minutes long, and keeping the ad break as usual. It's just it'd be more convenient for them to say they have to scale things back as a result.

It's like the whole ban on junk food advertising thing. If anyone seriously thinks you'll never see McDonalds et all advertising onscreen again, they're living in a fantasy. There'd almost certainly be the McDonalds Healthy Happy Meal being promoted rather swiftly, as the big chains wouldn't risk losing the exposure. It's just easier as a commercial broadcaster to hide behind stuff like this as an excuse to scrap what they dont really want.


But to be honest it would only affect the Lunchtime News, as most of the time the Evening News and the News at 10.30 have no ad breaks. Can i ask what would happen if five scheduled a double bill of a 15 minute childrens programme, would they be allowed to have adverts. If that is the case, why can they just not make shorter programmes?
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A former member
Personnel this rule is pointless !

there No CITV,

make the Lunchtime News start at 12.25:

and milkshake well there can use every trick in the book Wink
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
623058 posted:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6331781.stm

Quote:
TV news and children's programmes on commercial channels could be threatened by a plan to ban adverts in some shows, a House of Lords report has warned.

The European Union has proposed getting rid of ad breaks in all children's and news shows lasting 30 minutes or less.


This, so far as the children's programming goes anyway, used to be standard practice in this country from the mid 1980s (it was certainly the case in late 1987 anyway) until about 2002. It used to be that all programming on Children's ITV was free of ad breaks and the only ads were sandwiched between the end of one programme and the beginning of the next. I don't think it was enshrined in legislation, it may well have been a gentleman's agreement between the ITV companies, so of course when ITV plc came along it became irrelevant.
AM
amosc100
Neil Jones posted:
623058 posted:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6331781.stm

Quote:
TV news and children's programmes on commercial channels could be threatened by a plan to ban adverts in some shows, a House of Lords report has warned.

The European Union has proposed getting rid of ad breaks in all children's and news shows lasting 30 minutes or less.


This, so far as the children's programming goes anyway, used to be standard practice in this country from the mid 1980s (it was certainly the case in late 1987 anyway) until about 2002. It used to be that all programming on Children's ITV was free of ad breaks and the only ads were sandwiched between the end of one programme and the beginning of the next. I don't think it was enshrined in legislation, it may well have been a gentleman's agreement between the ITV companies, so of course when ITV plc came along it became irrelevant.


I remember those days quite well - a cartoon was on for 21 minutes f/b 3 minutes of commercials. The only children's programmes with commercials were on Saturday mornings - the magazine shows.

I also remember when the 30 minute current affair shows lasted 27 minutes without a commercial, the 60 minute current affairs and documentaries only had 1 commercial break - must admit itg did make the programmes more watchable than in todays world - plus the advertising slots were more expensive because of the restricted number of slots (something which ITV should think about know as it did generate more money than in today's advertising-mad world).

With regards to the news this was always a mix and match situation possibly due to the amount of news on the day of the editor of the day
BB
bbcresistance
Is that fair to ITV and others ad channels as they will be getting less money and BBC will be happy.
PE
Pete Founding member
bbcresistance posted:
Is that fair to ITV and others ad channels as they will be getting less money and BBC will be happy.


it's hardly the BBC's fault is it. Oh but I forgot, everything is because of the evil tv tax
BB
bbcresistance
Hymagumba posted:
bbcresistance posted:
Is that fair to ITV and others ad channels as they will be getting less money and BBC will be happy.


it's hardly the BBC's fault is it. Oh but I forgot, everything is because of the evil tv tax


It may be not be BBC fault but they be happy if channels close down if they lose money. And know matter what BBC can not lose money.
AM
amosc100
bbcresistance posted:
Is that fair to ITV and others ad channels as they will be getting less money and BBC will be happy.


Are you sure that ITV would be getting less money - less advertsing sapce does not automatically mean less money - it may actually mean more money and the slots ending up being bought at a much higher price - i.e. more like an auction and slots going to the highest bidder - especially if a programme is successful or very popular.

And anyway I'm sure that ITV could get around it by mving itys commercial slots around so that during a 24 hour period it would still have the same amount of commercials no matter what time or fashion they are shown - it could end up having more commercials during peak time shows (God help us if that ever happened!) or re-introductions of commercials during the early part of Night time schedules - espercially at the weekends when people are naturally up later)

Anyway less advertising during children's current affairs and news would up the ante for ITV and possibly give more competition against the BBC with much better in-depth reporting and better quality in general. How is that losing out to the BBC - its actually quite a positive not only for the independents but also for the BBC and ultimately for the viewer
AN
Andrew Founding member
With children's tv already suffering from low viewing figures and the future fast food ban, I wouldn't have thought it was the best time to introduce more rules


Half the time there are no ads within news bulletins anyway, so that won't have much effect

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