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Goodness me, the TV people need to know the new times too!
superdudeman007 posted:
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Goodness me, the TV people need to know the new times too!
AN
Why not just use BST all year around (so BST becomes GMT if you like)
They use the argument that it would be too dark for children walking to school. To be honest, I like dark mornings but I think the current arrangement is fine.
Roger Mellie posted:
Brekkie Boy posted:
The annual argument of scrapping it is back again this year - now they want us to stay in BST in the Winter and still put our clocks forward in the Spring so it'll be light till about 11pm! I like the dark!!!
One thing I haven't heard this time is the argument of Scotland changing it's time zone to be one hour ahead of the rest of the UK.
That would screw the TV schedules up!
One thing I haven't heard this time is the argument of Scotland changing it's time zone to be one hour ahead of the rest of the UK.
That would screw the TV schedules up!
Why not just use BST all year around (so BST becomes GMT if you like)
They use the argument that it would be too dark for children walking to school. To be honest, I like dark mornings but I think the current arrangement is fine.
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Indeed it would. But the reason I'm in favour of GMT+2 in the summer months is because it gets light far too early IMO. In June it's full daylight at 4:30, perhaps even earlier. I can't sleep well in the daylight. I wouldn't mind an extra hour of daylight in the evening if it meant it didn't get light so bloody early.
Well, we could bu99er up our time zones. Or you could buy some decent curtains.
I'm sick to death of this argument, particularly from those in the south of the country. Annoyingly it comes round twice as frequently as the "exams are easier" news filler crap.
In the north (Manchester is not "north") of the British Isles in December it is not daylight until 0830/0900. And dark again at 1600/1630. In June it does not get properly dark at all.
Double summertime would mean that it did not get daylight until almost 10am. It would still be dark at 1700/1730 in winter.
The present system means the majority of schoolchildren get to and from school in daylight. ANY adjustment in either direction removes this advantage. That is why we have the present system.
Right. Now you've got that off your chest, I have to say (rather selfishly I know) I don't give a toss about dark winter mornings. In fact I love dark mornings. IMO, the excuse for going back to GMT is poor - making sure it's daylight when children go to school. That was the whole point of not having GMT+1 in the winter decades ago yes, but surely today, a lot of children are driven to school (as I know only too well because the traffic in the morning where I live is terrible) and nearly all streets in built up areas where there are houses are lit up. I would prefer to get home in the daylight as well.
That's my opinion anyway. I'm all for GMT+2 in the summer and GMT+1 in the winter, and have been for a long time. I remember when it was BST all year round once in the early seventies, and I certainly didn't miss GMT. It was the best winter ever for me.
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marksi posted:
Joe Havard posted:
Brekkie Boy posted:
The annual argument of scrapping it is back again this year - now they want us to stay in BST in the Winter and still put our clocks forward in the Spring so it'll be light till about 11pm! I like the dark!!!
Indeed it would. But the reason I'm in favour of GMT+2 in the summer months is because it gets light far too early IMO. In June it's full daylight at 4:30, perhaps even earlier. I can't sleep well in the daylight. I wouldn't mind an extra hour of daylight in the evening if it meant it didn't get light so bloody early.
Well, we could bu99er up our time zones. Or you could buy some decent curtains.
I'm sick to death of this argument, particularly from those in the south of the country. Annoyingly it comes round twice as frequently as the "exams are easier" news filler crap.
In the north (Manchester is not "north") of the British Isles in December it is not daylight until 0830/0900. And dark again at 1600/1630. In June it does not get properly dark at all.
Double summertime would mean that it did not get daylight until almost 10am. It would still be dark at 1700/1730 in winter.
The present system means the majority of schoolchildren get to and from school in daylight. ANY adjustment in either direction removes this advantage. That is why we have the present system.
Right. Now you've got that off your chest, I have to say (rather selfishly I know) I don't give a toss about dark winter mornings. In fact I love dark mornings. IMO, the excuse for going back to GMT is poor - making sure it's daylight when children go to school. That was the whole point of not having GMT+1 in the winter decades ago yes, but surely today, a lot of children are driven to school (as I know only too well because the traffic in the morning where I live is terrible) and nearly all streets in built up areas where there are houses are lit up. I would prefer to get home in the daylight as well.
That's my opinion anyway. I'm all for GMT+2 in the summer and GMT+1 in the winter, and have been for a long time. I remember when it was BST all year round once in the early seventies, and I certainly didn't miss GMT. It was the best winter ever for me.
BR
I did try with the hyperthetical of how TV schedules would be affected if Scotland changed time zones to be an hour ahead of the rest of the UK.
Regionality makes it a bit irrelevant, but would it be a case of "Emmerdale - Weeknights 7 / 8 Scotland".
superdudeman007 posted:
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I did try with the hyperthetical of how TV schedules would be affected if Scotland changed time zones to be an hour ahead of the rest of the UK.
Regionality makes it a bit irrelevant, but would it be a case of "Emmerdale - Weeknights 7 / 8 Scotland".
RM
Like I said earlier, nobody complains about losing an hour of daylight in the morning when the clocks go foward.
Depends where you are in the country.... but the sun would set at 17:20 if we didn't put clocks back. You would just have one rush-hour in the dark then. Plus when kids come back from school, by the time they've done their homework etc, they would still have an hour of daylight to play in the park or whatever-- something we lose in Dec/Jan due to putting the clocks back.
As I said earlier, it is more beneficial to have an extra hour of daylight in the evening/afternoon than morning. More people are asleep in the morning than that time of the afternoon
We can't help the early morning daylight in the summer, it's our latitude! Speaking of which...
Time Zones ought to be decided on degrees longtitude, as they were originally. I thought Spain/Portugal were on same time-zone as us?
Andrew posted:
If we stayed BST all year the sun wouldn't rise until 9.30am on the shortest day, which would be strange to say the least
Like I said earlier, nobody complains about losing an hour of daylight in the morning when the clocks go foward.
Depends where you are in the country.... but the sun would set at 17:20 if we didn't put clocks back. You would just have one rush-hour in the dark then. Plus when kids come back from school, by the time they've done their homework etc, they would still have an hour of daylight to play in the park or whatever-- something we lose in Dec/Jan due to putting the clocks back.
As I said earlier, it is more beneficial to have an extra hour of daylight in the evening/afternoon than morning. More people are asleep in the morning than that time of the afternoon
We can't help the early morning daylight in the summer, it's our latitude! Speaking of which...
Time Zones ought to be decided on degrees longtitude, as they were originally. I thought Spain/Portugal were on same time-zone as us?
PA
I prefer it when it gets dark at around 6.30-7pm at night. I don't like it being dark at 4, but equally I don't like it being light at 10 either. The latter annoys me more, I think.
I'm in favour of the clocks going back... you "fall back into Winter" as my mother always told me.
I would be annoyed if they changed it so that it didn't get dark till later in the Winter. It would just irritate me, especially for occasions like Bonfire Night etc.
I'm in favour of the clocks going back... you "fall back into Winter" as my mother always told me.
I would be annoyed if they changed it so that it didn't get dark till later in the Winter. It would just irritate me, especially for occasions like Bonfire Night etc.
AD
What about the areas like where I live where the vast majority of children get the bus?
Joe Havard posted:
IMO, the excuse for going back to GMT is poor - making sure it's daylight when children go to school. That was the whole point of not having GMT+1 in the winter decades ago yes, but surely today, a lot of children are driven to school (as I know only too well because the traffic in the morning where I live is terrible) and nearly all streets in built up areas where there are houses are lit up. I would prefer to get home in the daylight as well.
What about the areas like where I live where the vast majority of children get the bus?
AN
I see your point but in that particular case, STV has different presentation to ITV1 so that wouldn't really be a problem (excluding Border Scotland).
I don't think it would be too big a problem to be honest. America seems to cope but it would be a bit confusing.
Brekkie Boy posted:
Regionality makes it a bit irrelevant, but would it be a case of "Emmerdale - Weeknights 7 / 8 Scotland".
I see your point but in that particular case, STV has different presentation to ITV1 so that wouldn't really be a problem (excluding Border Scotland).
I don't think it would be too big a problem to be honest. America seems to cope but it would be a bit confusing.
OV
On Sky's EPG BBC One has Johnathon Ross and BBC News 24 both listed as 1am, which I'm sure will confuse it as the EPG as it tried to list two at once as on now. ITV1 has lost it's listings from 2am until ITV Play finishes, simply marked as **bst ENDS** Clocks go back... ITV2, BBC Three and other have times like 1:40 am followed by 1:25am. The EPG is all over the place tonight.