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(September 2010)

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IS
Inspector Sands
It was used for daytime summaries too, wasn't it? By 9pm it looked empty.

Yes if you look on http://www2.tv-ark.org.uk/news/bbcnews/news.html it seems it and the 'transmitter' titles were used for every bulletin that wasn't Breakfast, the 1 or the 6

Empty desks are always the problem with newsroom shots, that and people getting up and putting coats on to go home during the bulletin!

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My least favourite look, and the music was harsh and thrashy sounding.

I think it's a design classic, a simple idea well executed. It has an air of authority and impact that's been lacking since (not necessarily a bad thing). The music lasted longer than the titles, but the new version sounded too wishy-washy

The transmitter logo was turned it into a dog shape for the departmental logo, an odd idea
DI
digipal
I was under the impression that the BBC jut didn't 'do' live newsroom backdrops on the national bulletins. If I remember rightly, the cream era had a timeshifted video of the newsroom to avoid any accidents.

From 1988-93 the 9 o'clock news (if not all national bulletins) came from a studio built in the newsroom, so that had a live view behind the presenters.

http://www.meldrum.co.uk/mhp/identzone/bbc_news_weather/images/bbc_news_1988_9oc05.jpg
Picture from Meldrum.co.uk

When (and why) did the Ten share with Newsnight?

When N6 was being refurbished for the News Channel's move from N8, the 10 came from TC7 to allow them rehearsal time. Newsnight started a few minutes late during this time, to allow the presenters to swap over.


Just the Nine - and it wasn't a "studio built in the newsroom" - it was a studio (N3 I think) which shared a wall with the newsroom, and the wall was removed! It was only used for the Nine during the weekdays (and possibly daytime summaries?) - the One and Six still came from their White and Blue look studios respectively. (Before the "branding" "corporate" "VR" set arrived)

The Nine from the Newsroom look was regarded as a bit of a turkey internally (though it was the first Lambie Nairn design?) as the bulk of the people left at 9pm in the news operation were working on the Nine, so not at their desks and usually either in the gallery or in edit suites. So effectively the backdrop should have been an empty newsroom... They usually persuaded the few people who were left in the newsroom to sit in the back of shot...

ISTR that the titles were such a tight in that they started with a frame of chroma-key - and effectively 'cut themselves up' when they were run...


I used to work in BBC hospitality, and I definitely remember rolling a trolley of coffee flask's past this set and thinking; s**t I might be seen trundling about in the background of BBC1 daytime news. It used to be in what they called The Spur (wasn't it?). Anyway, there wasn't a transmission on at the time, and I needed a signature, so who signed for it Moira Stewart!!! Can I just say, what a lovely, lovely lady. A pure delight to meet!
SP
Steve in Pudsey
Hints that Breakfast, NorthWest Tonight and Newsround will all have their own galleries when they get to Salford

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@BBCMosart: In case you are wondering - 3 of me go to #BBCNorth for Breakfast, Newsround and NWT. 4 to new BH in W1 for domestic and global news

https://twitter.com/#!/BBCMosart/status/71593696138760192
CH
chris
Hints that Breakfast, NorthWest Tonight and Newsround will all have their own galleries when they get to Salford

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@BBCMosart: In case you are wondering - 3 of me go to #BBCNorth for Breakfast, Newsround and NWT. 4 to new BH in W1 for domestic and global news

https://twitter.com/#!/BBCMosart/status/71593696138760192


A separate gallery for Breakfast and NWT I can understand because of the opt-outs during the programme and I can understand there wouldn't be much rehearsal time for NWT if Newsround were to use the same gallery but why can't Breakfast and Newsround share?

I wonder if separate galleries mean separate studios? I was hoping NWT and Breakfast would share so NWT would get a decent sized studio. Before Breakfast announced it was moving the place NWT said they were going looked like a tiny corner.
GR
gregmc
chris posted:
Hints that Breakfast, NorthWest Tonight and Newsround will all have their own galleries when they get to Salford

Quote:
@BBCMosart: In case you are wondering - 3 of me go to #BBCNorth for Breakfast, Newsround and NWT. 4 to new BH in W1 for domestic and global news

https://twitter.com/#!/BBCMosart/status/71593696138760192


A separate gallery for Breakfast and NWT I can understand because of the opt-outs during the programme and I can understand there wouldn't be much rehearsal time for NWT if Newsround were to use the same gallery but why can't Breakfast and Newsround share?

I wonder if separate galleries mean separate studios? I was hoping NWT and Breakfast would share so NWT would get a decent sized studio. Before Breakfast announced it was moving the place NWT said they were going looked like a tiny corner.


I'm under the impression that Breakfast/North West Tonight will share a main set overlooking the Quays with maybe CSO for the Breakfast Opts. I'd hardly call the studio a tiny corner either, it's a corner alright, but on quite a grand scale!
NG
noggin Founding member
Newsround are on-air during Breakfast with their digital bulletins on the CBBC channel aren't they?

I would imagine they'll use the same studio and gallery for all output when in Salford, rather than the current mix of one studio/gallery for the CBBC channel bulletins and the large BBC News studio/gallery for the BBC One bulletin?

I would expect that the requirements for NWT, Breakfast and Newsround are all quite significantly different - and presumably NWT will need to do opt-outs during Breakfast, independent of the Breakfast team, so will need a separate gallery for that (to allow rehearsal etc.?)
NJ
news junkie
On newswatch recently they said that breakfast and the regional news will share resources including camera crew, producers and directors and journalists. I presumed this would suggest the studio as well.

Also, I can't imagine them having two news studios at Salford, much like Pacific Quay - only one which houses the breakfast bulletins, rep scot and newsnight Scotland, politics show Scotland, sportscene etc. And a bulletin set in the newsroom for the ten and BBC alba sport
CH
chris
Newsround are on-air during Breakfast with their digital bulletins on the CBBC channel aren't they?

I would imagine they'll use the same studio and gallery for all output when in Salford, rather than the current mix of one studio/gallery for the CBBC channel bulletins and the large BBC News studio/gallery for the BBC One bulletin?

I would expect that the requirements for NWT, Breakfast and Newsround are all quite significantly different - and presumably NWT will need to do opt-outs during Breakfast, independent of the Breakfast team, so will need a separate gallery for that (to allow rehearsal etc.?)


Oh yes, silly me. Completely forgot about the CBBC Channel. Fair enough then.

chris posted:
Hints that Breakfast, NorthWest Tonight and Newsround will all have their own galleries when they get to Salford

Quote:
@BBCMosart: In case you are wondering - 3 of me go to #BBCNorth for Breakfast, Newsround and NWT. 4 to new BH in W1 for domestic and global news

https://twitter.com/#!/BBCMosart/status/71593696138760192


A separate gallery for Breakfast and NWT I can understand because of the opt-outs during the programme and I can understand there wouldn't be much rehearsal time for NWT if Newsround were to use the same gallery but why can't Breakfast and Newsround share?

I wonder if separate galleries mean separate studios? I was hoping NWT and Breakfast would share so NWT would get a decent sized studio. Before Breakfast announced it was moving the place NWT said they were going looked like a tiny corner.


I'm under the impression that Breakfast/North West Tonight will share a main set overlooking the Quays with maybe CSO for the Breakfast Opts. I'd hardly call the studio a tiny corner either, it's a corner alright, but on quite a grand scale!


When North West Tonight did a report on the move a year or two ago, the place they were supposed to be going did look tiny. I'd imagine plans have changed since the announcement that Breakfast was moving.
AB
ashley b Founding member
chris posted:
When North West Tonight did a report on the move a year or two ago, the place they were supposed to be going did look tiny. I'd imagine plans have changed since the announcement that Breakfast was moving.


Indeed, this is the report: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCxXqutemR0

I suppose in comparision to the current studio it does look quite small, but maybe not quite as small as some of the new studios that some regions have moved into.
CH
chris
chris posted:
When North West Tonight did a report on the move a year or two ago, the place they were supposed to be going did look tiny. I'd imagine plans have changed since the announcement that Breakfast was moving.


Indeed, this is the report: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCxXqutemR0

I suppose in comparision to the current studio it does look quite small, but maybe not quite as small as some of the new studios that some regions have moved into.


I stand by this with Breakfast as well, with an actual window view, it doesn't leave much scope for change in the future. When you look at how different each look of NWT in the above video can be with a proper studio, I think it proves a proper studio is better than windows. Midlands Today are in the same position really - stuck with what they've got with only a bit of frosted glass to make it different.

The decisions have been made though so my post is quite futile.
NG
noggin Founding member
Many regional operations have two galleries - one for main bulletins (which presumably could be shared with Breakfast) and one for short bulletins (Breakfast etc.) This would require two Mosart installations if both were to use the same automation systems.

Although Breakfast and NWT may well share facilities and crew (i.e. a pooled crew that are scheduled across all outlets rather than having two separate crews) that doesn't mean the only facilities that NWT will have are those that Breakfast also use.

So - one scenario :

Mosart for Newsround (both CBBC and BBC One bulletins)
Mosart for Breakfast and North West Tonight main bulletin (main gallery)
Mosart for North West Tonight short bulletin (mini gallery)

OR

Mosart for Newsround
Mosart for all North West Tonight (for use in two galleries - main gallery for 1830 and mini-gallery for Breakfast)
Mosart for Breakfast

Both would make sense - but I can see a requirement for three. In fact the difference between the two scenarious is largely semantic these days...
ST
Steve Founding member
And if you're kitting out a new build costing millions, you may as well spend the money to make it as good as possible and have three rather than two, surely.

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