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(September 2010)

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SomeRandomStuff
VMPhil posted:
Critique posted:
A right odd mix of images in those mock-ups! I particularly enjoyed this photo...

...which you may notice features this image...

...which SomeRandomStuff posted on here years ago in response to a mock! Brilliant!

Still got some way to go to beat Invent Meridian's BBC One logo mock appearing as an actual printout at Crystal Palace transmitter.


I still cant get over seeing my own graphics every time i google 'World News America'.
bilky asko and VMPhil gave kudos
MA
Markymark
Rkolsen posted:
Markymark posted:


I've heard one issue with the all new TVC, it'll be classed as a residential area, which will rather put the brakes on any set shifting and striking, and audience movements between 22:00 and 07:00 hrs ?

And.....
https://www.sony.co.uk/pro/press/pr-sony-4k-ip-bbc-studioworks#.WIt3QMsgfC4.twitter


Looks like they'll be using two Imagine Communications IP3 Hybrid router frames - the first for TC 1 and the second for TC 2 & 3.

http://www.imaginecommunications.com/resources/press-release/imagine-communications-ip3-router-selected-bbc-studioworks-new-facility


Well spotted, and interesting they are not ( seemingly. ?) using a COTS router at the heart of the system ( unlike the Ciscos used for Arena's IP OB trucks)?
RK
Rkolsen
Markymark posted:
Rkolsen posted:
Markymark posted:


I've heard one issue with the all new TVC, it'll be classed as a residential area, which will rather put the brakes on any set shifting and striking, and audience movements between 22:00 and 07:00 hrs ?

And.....
https://www.sony.co.uk/pro/press/pr-sony-4k-ip-bbc-studioworks#.WIt3QMsgfC4.twitter


Looks like they'll be using two Imagine Communications IP3 Hybrid router frames - the first for TC 1 and the second for TC 2 & 3.

http://www.imaginecommunications.com/resources/press-release/imagine-communications-ip3-router-selected-bbc-studioworks-new-facility


Well spotted, and interesting they are not ( seemingly. ?) using a COTS router at the heart of the system ( unlike the Ciscos used for Arena's IP OB trucks)?

Well the article said it was a Hybrid router and despite the Sony article I interpreted that it was originally going to be running HD-SDI for a while.

I found it via [url=tvnewscheck.com]TVNewsCheck's[/url] Playout blog.
MA
Markymark
Rkolsen posted:
Markymark posted:
Rkolsen posted:

Looks like they'll be using two Imagine Communications IP3 Hybrid router frames - the first for TC 1 and the second for TC 2 & 3.

http://www.imaginecommunications.com/resources/press-release/imagine-communications-ip3-router-selected-bbc-studioworks-new-facility


Well spotted, and interesting they are not ( seemingly. ?) using a COTS router at the heart of the system ( unlike the Ciscos used for Arena's IP OB trucks)?

Well the article said it was a Hybrid router and despite the Sony article I interpreted that it was originally going to be running HD-SDI for a while.
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Two 28RU crates !!

Some might say the Beeb are behind the curve here, others might say, they are being wisely cautious.

Whatever, this might turn out to be the last major SDI based installation in the UK !
RK
Rkolsen
Markymark posted:
Rkolsen posted:
Markymark posted:

Well spotted, and interesting they are not ( seemingly. ?) using a COTS router at the heart of the system ( unlike the Ciscos used for Arena's IP OB trucks)?

Well the article said it was a Hybrid router and despite the Sony article I interpreted that it was originally going to be running HD-SDI for a while.
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Two 28RU crates !!

Some might say the Beeb are behind the curve here, others might say, they are being wisely cautious.

Whatever, this might turn out to be the last major SDI based installation in the UK !


If I were installing I'd be cautious as well. You know IP is coming but there are so many different standards it may be best until one is chosen.
MA
Markymark
Rkolsen posted:
Markymark posted:
Rkolsen posted:
Well the article said it was a Hybrid router and despite the Sony article I interpreted that it was originally going to be running HD-SDI for a while.
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Two 28RU crates !!

Some might say the Beeb are behind the curve here, others might say, they are being wisely cautious.

Whatever, this might turn out to be the last major SDI based installation in the UK !


If I were installing I'd be cautious as well. You know IP is coming but there are so many different standards it may be best until one is chosen.



There's a very clear ratification path for standards now with SMPTE, have a read of some of their papers, but you're right, it's a young technology. That said Arena's GV/Cisco based OB trucks are working well,

https://www.grassvalley.com/news/press/releases/view/3139-bt-sport-produces-worlds-first-all-ip-4k-broadcast-with-arena-television-powered-by-a-suite-of-technology-from-grass-valley
GE
thegeek Founding member
Steve Williams posted:
Markymark posted:
I've heard one issue with the all new TVC, it'll be classed as a residential area, which will rather put the brakes on any set shifting and striking, and audience movements between 22:00 and 07:00 hrs ?


Although, given it's right next to two tube stations and one of Britain's biggest shopping centres with umpteen bars and restaurants, plus a very busy road, how much more noise can it generate?

You could always tell in CCA when Later with Jools was in TC4. I believe the centre wedge is going to be accommodation - they'd need some good soundproofing between it and TC3.
RK
Rkolsen
Markymark posted:
Rkolsen posted:
Markymark posted:

Two 28RU crates !!

Some might say the Beeb are behind the curve here, others might say, they are being wisely cautious.

Whatever, this might turn out to be the last major SDI based installation in the UK !


If I were installing I'd be cautious as well. You know IP is coming but there are so many different standards it may be best until one is chosen.



There's a very clear ratification path for standards now with SMPTE, have a read of some of their papers, but you're right, it's a young technology. That said Arena's GV/Cisco based OB trucks are working well,

https://www.grassvalley.com/news/press/releases/view/3139-bt-sport-produces-worlds-first-all-ip-4k-broadcast-with-arena-television-powered-by-a-suite-of-technology-from-grass-valley


I've just read information from the various manufacturers (some of the SMPTE require $) with different standards - you have Sony's NMI, NewTek's NDI, TICO (which seems to have the most backers with Grass Valley, Ross, Ikegami) and AIMs.

Edit : I should state that part of my reasoning for being cautious is that in addition to being a young technology a lot of its single vendor centric. What I'm saying is that it's not like the big iron where you could connect anything from any vendor with an SDI output and in the right format.
MA
Markymark
Rkolsen posted:
Markymark posted:
Rkolsen posted:

If I were installing I'd be cautious as well. You know IP is coming but there are so many different standards it may be best until one is chosen.



There's a very clear ratification path for standards now with SMPTE, have a read of some of their papers, but you're right, it's a young technology. That said Arena's GV/Cisco based OB trucks are working well,

https://www.grassvalley.com/news/press/releases/view/3139-bt-sport-produces-worlds-first-all-ip-4k-broadcast-with-arena-television-powered-by-a-suite-of-technology-from-grass-valley


I've just read information from the various manufacturers (some of the SMPTE require $) with different standards - you have Sony's NMI, NewTek's NDI, TICO (which seems to have the most backers with Grass Valley, Ross, Ikegami) and AIMs.

Edit : I should state that part of my reasoning for being cautious is that in addition to being a young technology a lot of its single vendor centric. What I'm saying is that it's not like the big iron where you could connect anything from any vendor with an SDI output and in the right format.


Indeed. The so called industry 'plug-fests' will be interesting !

There's a good summary of the choices here

http://www.ibc.org/hot-news/will-ip-sink-or-swim-on-a-lack-of-standards

And this (quite old now) Sony White Paper gives a good overview of what IP offers (and challenges !) over SDI

https://www.xilinx.com/publications/prod_mktg/applications/sonys-ip-live-production-technology.pdf
TR
TROGGLES
Markymark posted:
Steve Williams posted:
Markymark posted:
I've heard one issue with the all new TVC, it'll be classed as a residential area, which will rather put the brakes on any set shifting and striking, and audience movements between 22:00 and 07:00 hrs ?


Although, given it's right next to two tube stations and one of Britain's biggest shopping centres with umpteen bars and restaurants, plus a very busy road, how much more noise can it generate?


My local boozer is adjacent to the M3, yet at 22:00hrs you have to vacate the beer garden and come inside, as part of local authority noise rules. Go figure !


One thing I forgot to mention is that the timetable for the next phase has slipped to say the least! Stanhope are contractually required to complete all demolition on the main site including the East Tower within the next 7 months in order that there is full access and use of the studios. It appears the re-construction of everything other than phase one will no longer adhere to the set timetable. Demolition of the multi-story car park is postponed indefinitely.
RK
Rkolsen
Markymark posted:
Rkolsen posted:
Markymark posted:


There's a very clear ratification path for standards now with SMPTE, have a read of some of their papers, but you're right, it's a young technology. That said Arena's GV/Cisco based OB trucks are working well,

https://www.grassvalley.com/news/press/releases/view/3139-bt-sport-produces-worlds-first-all-ip-4k-broadcast-with-arena-television-powered-by-a-suite-of-technology-from-grass-valley


I've just read information from the various manufacturers (some of the SMPTE require $) with different standards - you have Sony's NMI, NewTek's NDI, TICO (which seems to have the most backers with Grass Valley, Ross, Ikegami) and AIMs.

Edit : I should state that part of my reasoning for being cautious is that in addition to being a young technology a lot of its single vendor centric. What I'm saying is that it's not like the big iron where you could connect anything from any vendor with an SDI output and in the right format.


Indeed. The so called industry 'plug-fests' will be interesting !

There's a good summary of the choices here

http://www.ibc.org/hot-news/will-ip-sink-or-swim-on-a-lack-of-standards

And this (quite old now) Sony White Paper gives a good overview of what IP offers (and challenges !) over SDI

https://www.xilinx.com/publications/prod_mktg/applications/sonys-ip-live-production-technology.pdf

The one thing that kind of confuses me as some articles on TVTechnology and others have implied that some or all of the IP production traffic will run with the regular building's IT infrastructure (VOIP, Internet, Computers etc.) while others have not.
MA
Markymark
Rkolsen posted:
Markymark posted:
Rkolsen posted:

I've just read information from the various manufacturers (some of the SMPTE require $) with different standards - you have Sony's NMI, NewTek's NDI, TICO (which seems to have the most backers with Grass Valley, Ross, Ikegami) and AIMs.

Edit : I should state that part of my reasoning for being cautious is that in addition to being a young technology a lot of its single vendor centric. What I'm saying is that it's not like the big iron where you could connect anything from any vendor with an SDI output and in the right format.


Indeed. The so called industry 'plug-fests' will be interesting !

There's a good summary of the choices here

http://www.ibc.org/hot-news/will-ip-sink-or-swim-on-a-lack-of-standards

And this (quite old now) Sony White Paper gives a good overview of what IP offers (and challenges !) over SDI

https://www.xilinx.com/publications/prod_mktg/applications/sonys-ip-live-production-technology.pdf

The one thing that kind of confuses me as some articles on TVTechnology and others have implied that some or all of the IP production traffic will run with the regular building's IT infrastructure (VOIP, Internet, Computers etc.) while others have not.


It would be foolhardy for a number of reasons, notably, but not exclusively, security not to run the system on anything other than a closed dedicated network. The amount of data you are moving about is immense, and relentless, the core switch has to have plenty of headroom, and non blocking algorithms

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