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Some questions about broadcast terminologies/expressions used as well as the industry itself (August 2020)

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VA
valley
Pretty sure Sky News has hard breaks.

As I understand it generally only the xx:57 break at the top of the hour is fixed, so that they hit the start of the next hour on time. The rest of the breaks in the hour are usually manually triggered by TX when the gallery tell them to.

This can vary however as the international feed sometimes opts out and shows different programming, in which case they will need the go to a break on time so that the international feed can start it's programming and cleanly opt back in at the right time.

Correct. The only normal hard breaks are the xx:57 TOTH break and the breaks before the back half-hour press preview / Sophy Ridge replays overnight.
IS
Inspector Sands

During live regional programming (e.g. news), the breaks will be on a fixed time so that they start at the same time on all regions simultaneously.

The automation will happily let each region go to a break at a different time, but that becomes a burden on the operator who would be trying to juggle different breaks times from each region, not to mention very error prone as it's easy to hit 'take next' on the wrong region's playlist. So they fix it for simplicity. In fact currently I don't think they go to a break in regional news at all.

Ahh yes, I suppose the TC would have to be watching out for each region to come to their break and then cue them out of it.... and if every region had a break they'd be doing several at the same time
MA
Markymark

During live regional programming (e.g. news), the breaks will be on a fixed time so that they start at the same time on all regions simultaneously.

The automation will happily let each region go to a break at a different time, but that becomes a burden on the operator who would be trying to juggle different breaks times from each region, not to mention very error prone as it's easy to hit 'take next' on the wrong region's playlist. So they fix it for simplicity. In fact currently I don't think they go to a break in regional news at all.

Ahh yes, I suppose the TC would have to be watching out for each region to come to their break and then cue them out of it.... and if every region had a break they'd be doing several at the same time


Yes, the other way would be for the breaks to be recorded earlier 'down the line' and played out locally as simply events in the programmes' running order. I think in the 90s Meridian Newbury did that, because their breaks were normally at a different time to Southampton's breaks ?
BL
bluecortina

During live regional programming (e.g. news), the breaks will be on a fixed time so that they start at the same time on all regions simultaneously.

The automation will happily let each region go to a break at a different time, but that becomes a burden on the operator who would be trying to juggle different breaks times from each region, not to mention very error prone as it's easy to hit 'take next' on the wrong region's playlist. So they fix it for simplicity. In fact currently I don't think they go to a break in regional news at all.

Ahh yes, I suppose the TC would have to be watching out for each region to come to their break and then cue them out of it.... and if every region had a break they'd be doing several at the same time


Yes, the other way would be for the breaks to be recorded earlier 'down the line' and played out locally as simply events in the programmes' running order. I think in the 90s Meridian Newbury did that, because their breaks were normally at a different time to Southampton's breaks ?


As an aside, in Southern’s day the commercials into the Dover news programmes were played out live from telecine direct to Dover. You had to man the machine and have your ear jammed up against a 3” speaker carrying telephone quality talkback from the Dover control room. There was no reverse talkback to Dover. Not for the faint hearted.
MA
Markymark
Ahh yes, I suppose the TC would have to be watching out for each region to come to their break and then cue them out of it.... and if every region had a break they'd be doing several at the same time


Yes, the other way would be for the breaks to be recorded earlier 'down the line' and played out locally as simply events in the programmes' running order. I think in the 90s Meridian Newbury did that, because their breaks were normally at a different time to Southampton's breaks ?


As an aside, in Southern’s day the commercials into the Dover news programmes were played out live from telecine direct to Dover. You had to man the machine and have your ear jammed up against a 3” speaker carrying telephone quality talkback from the Dover control room. There was no reverse talkback to Dover. Not for the faint hearted.


Were you able to see Dover's output in Southampton. Even an off air feed from Heathfield would have been more or less impossible ?
BL
bluecortina

Yes, the other way would be for the breaks to be recorded earlier 'down the line' and played out locally as simply events in the programmes' running order. I think in the 90s Meridian Newbury did that, because their breaks were normally at a different time to Southampton's breaks ?


As an aside, in Southern’s day the commercials into the Dover news programmes were played out live from telecine direct to Dover. You had to man the machine and have your ear jammed up against a 3” speaker carrying telephone quality talkback from the Dover control room. There was no reverse talkback to Dover. Not for the faint hearted.


Were you able to see Dover's output in Southampton. Even an off air feed from Heathfield would have been more or less impossible ?


Telecine 2 > Dover
Dover studio output > Southampton Pres
Southampton Pres > Dover Transmitter

So Dover’s output always went via the Southampton Pres area.
MA
Markymark

As an aside, in Southern’s day the commercials into the Dover news programmes were played out live from telecine direct to Dover. You had to man the machine and have your ear jammed up against a 3” speaker carrying telephone quality talkback from the Dover control room. There was no reverse talkback to Dover. Not for the faint hearted.


Were you able to see Dover's output in Southampton. Even an off air feed from Heathfield would have been more or less impossible ?


Telecine 2 > Dover
Dover studio output > Southampton Pres
Southampton Pres > Dover Transmitter

So Dover’s output always went via the Southampton Pres area.


Ah, so not flying completely blind thankfully!
SP
Steve in Pudsey
That begs the question why the ads went via Dover rather than being cut to air via Pres?
TE
Technologist
My reaction is that the wanted Dover to control when they came .. as soft break .... but I don't know ....
BL
bluecortina

Were you able to see Dover's output in Southampton. Even an off air feed from Heathfield would have been more or less impossible ?


Telecine 2 > Dover
Dover studio output > Southampton Pres
Southampton Pres > Dover Transmitter

So Dover’s output always went via the Southampton Pres area.


Ah, so not flying completely blind thankfully!



You were because you didn't know when the break was going to be. You had to strain your ears to the lo-fi talkback and try and identify the director saying 'standby Southampton telecine' at some point. On hearing that you whacked the video level control up and down quickly to signal to him that you had heard him. Southampton MCR were listening across the talkback too and if they heard the Dover director and you didn't respond they would literally fly out of MCR and ask if you had heard the cue.

On occasion they would come out and say did you hear the cue to which you'd respond 'No, I didn't, I don't think that was a cue'. Then there'd be a concerned few seconds as to whether it was a cue or not. Remember all you could hear on that lo-fi talkback was the director and PA, programme sound spilling all over it and amongst all that lot you were straning to hear 'roll Southampton telecine' - once you'd rolled it there was no going back, you could not re-cue.
Last edited by bluecortina on 17 August 2020 11:23am
BL
bluecortina
That begs the question why the ads went via Dover rather than being cut to air via Pres?


Alluding to previous comments - because the Southampton Pres control room were watching and listening for the local Southampton newsroom to go to a break - they couldn't listen to both with any degree of confidence.
CO
commseng
For something that was so important as the adverts, why on earth could a larger speaker be provided for the talkback?
Even at the reduced bandwidth it would help - or even get keyed talkback rather than open.

It sounds like something that wasn't very good was used despite it being known as poor for years!

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