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Interview with Lambie-Nairn Creative Director Brian Eley (June 2018)

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Blake Connolly Founding member
Funny how many idents people assume were CGI actually involved physical elements, this was another one - animation projected onto a real object:

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WH
Whataday Founding member
Could anyone tell this wasn't CGI?

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nwtv2003
Asa posted:
It doesn’t surprise me in the slightest that Carlton said no. It took LWT a little while longer (internal politics no doubt) but at least they got there in the end with the impressive videowall ident.


The videowall idents were less of a response to the ITV hearts, more a response to Carlton's package. The story goes that LWT argued they needed their pres to stand up against that of their weekday rival. After all, they were still competing for attention (advertising) at that stage.


You get the feeling that they, ITV knew had selected the wrong ident package in the first instance, when a flagship station gives up on the Network identity, makes its own to compete and is an improvement.

I’m sure the filmed sequences had disappeared from GMG North within about 18 months of its introduction. But like ITV at that time it didn’t seem to know what it was doing or where it was going. Funny too that for GMG North’s in Christmas 1999 the package designed by the team in Leeds was far superior than the network idents.

If it wasn’t for the fact ITV2 was launching with a new logo in 1998, then would the 1998 ITV logo launch been postponed?

Whilst undoubtedly most of us share the same opinion about Carlton’s output it always excelled at selling itself, and Michael Green was clear what he wanted (if the article is anything to go by) and was willing to pay whatever price.
WH
Whataday Founding member
Carlton needed good branding to support its other interests, namely Carlton.com which it wanted to turn into a huge national portal.

G-Wizz relied on Granada programmes rather than any of the regional ITV brands, so there was no incentive to care about how the station logos appeared on screen.
JM
JamesM0984
I always felt that Carlton had the presentation whilst GMG had the programmes.
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A former member
Unfortunately when there merged, Granada staff got the presentation and Carlton staff got the programmes Wink
WH
Whataday Founding member
The Anglia flag ident was real rather than CGI wasn't it?
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Stuart
Most revolved around a giant vacuum formed plastic heart.

Shocked That is surprising . . .
But at least you're not going to tell me that the Granada titleboard of my childhood was just a piece of cardboard . . . Rolling Eyes
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Lou Scannon
The Anglia flag ident was real rather than CGI wasn't it?


Given the way that it animated on in stages at the start of each ident (certain triangles of the stylised "A" appearing before others), I can't imagine how it wasn't CGI.

If it was footage of a real rippling flag, then was there a way of isolating and "keying out" certain sections/colours therein so that the grey background appeared through these?
WH
Whataday Founding member
In 1988 I'd say it was easier to key out colours than it was to render those wind ripples in 3D.



As more triangles fade in, the animation of the others doesn't seem to stay consistent. It looks as if it's a whole new scene each time.
ToasterMan and JosiahStuart gave kudos
WH
Whataday Founding member
Just checked an old Lambie-Nairn book I have in the office which confirms it was shot as a live action sequence and then computer edited.
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lobster
Have you got any technical detail on how that was achieved?

Anglia is my region so I saw that ident many, many times and always thought it was cgi... Would loved to see how it was actually done.

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