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A former member
TCOTV posted:
I bet many would like it if it was updated and twice a week etc. Blue peter never kept going by standing still.


I agree with you here. Need more Blue Peter with lots of energy. I would rather have two electric episodes of Blue Peter than Friday Download.


No Blue peter facebook page, or twitter account. Does the current BP talk about Internet? fitness? hobbies places to go?

I have notice its seems to have more Chat music than it used to have.
CR
Critique
Because people at the Beep believe Blue peter has no place in today world, which is a load of old crap. I bet many would like it if it was updated and twice a week etc. Blue peter never kept going by standing still.


What's Mike W got to do with this?

No Blue peter facebook page, or twitter account. Does the current BP talk about Internet? fitness? hobbies places to go?


If you're saying they don't have a Facebook or Twitter account, isn't this because the target range of CBBC is 6-12 year olds, and you have to be 13 to have an account on Facebook or Twitter, so the BBC could be seen to be endorsing children breaking the rules or something?
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A former member
Because people at the Beep believe Blue peter has no place in today world, which is a load of old crap. I bet many would like it if it was updated and twice a week etc. Blue peter never kept going by standing still.


What's Mike W got to do with this?

THE BBC, it should have said BeeB, I think .


No Blue peter facebook page, or twitter account. Does the current BP talk about Internet? fitness? hobbies places to go?




If you're saying they don't have a Facebook or Twitter account, isn't this because the target range of CBBC is 6-12 year olds, and you have to be 13 to have an account on Facebook or Twitter, so the BBC could be seen to be endorsing children breaking the rules or something?

There is the problem CBBC needs go back to 6- 16 years, BP used to cover the upper age limits.
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JA
JAS84
Yeah, and wasn't Grange Hill's axing entirely down to the same age range change? And Byker Grove ended not long beforehand too. Both primarily featured secondary school age children - i.e. the ages they were no longer aiming at.
MW
Mike W
Because people at the Beep believe Blue peter has no place in today world, which is a load of old crap. I bet many would like it if it was updated and twice a week etc. Blue peter never kept going by standing still.


What's Mike W got to do with this?

It's true, I changed the age range and told Blue Peter not to bother - they have no place in today's world!
BU
buster
To be fair to BP the ship is as prominent as it ever was, it is centre stage during the new titles on the logo board (just as it was before).

They've just extended the garden to include a vegetable patch which is about as traditional as it gets.

The appeal being for Children In Need every year is an unfortunate consequence of the show not being as big as it was, which is something all of children's TV has had to adapt to. But it does give a great opportunity to "come together" with the rest of the BBC.

The summer expedition ending I would guess is a consequence of the budget being a fraction of what it was. Plus, you could argue it is no longer a novelty for kids to be able to see "life in other countries" which was the original aim. They shouldn't be keeping old stuff for the sake of it if it has no relevance but I think there was an element of changing features for the sake of it a few years back.

I'm more surprised that they seem to have kept three presenters on, which seems a lot for one show a week. The number of presenters always adapted to the number of eps being broadcast - two in the early days, up to three when it went twice a week, four when it went three times a week and five for the brief period when it was on every day on CBBC.
EL
elmarko

Yes - historically Blue Peter was always live. [snip]

I see, thanks for that. Just surprised not to hear any calls of on/off air, would have thought it'd be an important call to hear.

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I was unclear.

In the US some TDs are not allowed to take shots UNLESS they are specifically directed to, as if they took shots on their own initiative that would mean they were seen to be acting as a director, and this would not be allowed unless they are in the directors union. In the UK it is usual for a vision mixer to take shots un-directed on a shot-by-shot basis. Most VMs will get annoyed if you call every shot. As will almost everyone else on talkback. Very quickly.

In the UK we also script music, which is then shot called by a PA/Script Supervisor, who will count bars to the next shot change, calling what shot number is on-air and what camera is next. The VM will follow the script and listen to the PA/SS and cut to the cameras as called, without the director needing to say a word in some cases. In the US, in some situations, because the PA is calling the shots not the director, the PA would need to be in the directors' union too...[snip]


Ahh, right I see. I knew about PA/SS stuff, I've actually had the pleasure of working with one, a lady called Joy Monks, when she came in to do a session for the TV production people at the university I used to work at. She was awesome. I put together a film of her at work with our students: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLHvQEtgHcc

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BTW - not sure about your 'self-op' comment. Self-op (sometimes also called self-opt) is usually used to describe the situation when a presenter is vision mixing their own output. It isn't usually used to describe a director cutting their own output (i.e. directing and operating the vision mixer at the same time). That's usually called Director/Vision Mixing, or 'cutting your own output'.


My bad, terminology is always important Smile

Many thanks for your very detailed answers!

PS, re directors not calling shots, obviously this is only for tightly scripted shows, right? For anything else a Director would need to call a shot to make sure that the cameraman is ready for their shot to be taken, when reacting to stuff you didn't know was going to happen. In which case, surely they'd also have to make the "Ready" call which is more like an American director. So essentially the situation dictates the method used.
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SW
Steve Williams
They've just extended the garden to include a vegetable patch which is about as traditional as it gets.


In addition they've just done a feature on the 60532 Blue Peter locomotive which they didn't even do much when Richard Marson, the show's de facto archivist, was in charge, so I think it's pretty daft to suggest they do nothing regarding its heritage.
JA
JAS84
I'm more surprised that they seem to have kept three presenters on, which seems a lot for one show a week. The number of presenters always adapted to the number of eps being broadcast - two in the early days, up to three when it went twice a week, four when it went three times a week and five for the brief period when it was on every day on CBBC.
That had nothing to do with the number of episodes aired. IIRC, one of the presenters had a baby, a new one was hired to cover maternity leave and then stayed on. When the next person left, they weren't replaced.
BR
Brekkie
TCOTV posted:
Multi posted:
Its sad that Blue Peter have lost a lot of their traditional features. Apart from Shelley the 'seen twice a year' Tortoise they no longer have pets, their appeals are now just Comic Relief/CiN, Summer expeditions have disappeared and the ship logo is little to be scene and certainly isn't a centre point on the set like it used to be. It's a shame really.


You have clearly not watch Blue Peter for a while. They have a dog. And there is a massive Blue Peter badge with the ship on behind the stage. Also the ship is used on the graphics. The have a ship outline that moves around the studio. So some of you point's are untrue but the Summer expeditions and appeals are lacking. Have to say since the new editor took over the show has improved. It was really bad when it moved to MediaCityUK.

I think Blue Peter should take a top gear route. Be on for a series or two a year instead of all year with trips and travel filed while not on air and film all links in a studio. Also having more daring presenters would help to. Lindsey like Helen seems to be the only one getting the big challenges.

Agree - and making it an hour a week during those series would make it stand out much more in the schedules when it is on. At half an hour a week it gets lost in the schedules.
SW
Steve Williams
Yes - historically Blue Peter was always live. I think they started pre-recording some episodes when it had CBBC-only versions as well as CBBC on BBC One editions. I think there was a trend to pre-recording when the show was still coming from a 'big' studio (TC4 etc) in TVC, not sure if this continued when it moved to a 'small' studio (TC2)

From the 60s until the 90s it was definitely always live when it was in the studio, though there were occasional 'filmed' shows, like the Summer Expedition episodes. For a long time it didn't use Autocue (this was introduced when Yvette Fielding started presenting I think), and the show would often be radically re-ordered by the editor, Biddy Baxter, after rehearsals. This really kept the presenters on their toes.


This is broadly right, although there were examples in the sixties of it being pre-recorded, and the famous example is Lulu the elephant, they've even said on the show now when showing the clip that the episode was pre-recorded because if it had been live it would have already been faded out as it was over-running. At that point in the late sixties, much to Biddy's dismay, they were pre-recording the Thursday show every week for about three months because there weren't enough studios available.

As mentioned, when it went three times a week, the Friday episode was indeed recorded straight after the Wednesday one but all the presenters and crew hated that and it was the first thing Steve Hocking changed when he took over. Certainly the Friday show was love at the turn of the century. When it was five days a week on CBBC but only three on BBC1, there were still only three "proper" shows a week with the other two being re-edits or a full-length film, and one of the CBBC ones was live and repeated the next day on BBC1, I can't remember how it worked now.

When they moved to TC2 as part of the radical revamp in 2007, for a while, when it was two shows a week it used to that they'd be live one week and then the next week's shows would be pre-recorded (a bit like Top of the Pops when it was on Sundays in its final year and one show a month was recorded at the same time as the previous week's). But now I think it's always live when they're doing a proper show at MediaCity, given they invite and read out correspondence on a set topic.

Multi posted:
I also feel like their current audience have no clue about Blue Peter's past. Certainly when Inwas younger they regular spoke about past presenters, features etc and addressed birthdays for the show etc but now, to a new viewer, Blue Peter has an odd name, weird 'pointless' logo and hasn't a clue for how long it's been on air. I know they celebrate the big anniversaries but no longer do they say 'we're 56 years old today!'


I don't think they ever mentioned specific anniversaries other than the big ones, most obviously because they were not usually on the actual birthday. As for the history, the new title sequence which started last week features the logo on "waves", they had a piece about the Blue Peter steam train the other week and talked about its history, Yvette Fielding was on it on Pancake Day to judge their pancakes (and they showed the famous clip of her), they've just expanded the garden and dd a piece about its history, plus also put their handprints in concrete to go alongside the old presenters which they pointed out, and of course when they did that MI5 competition the other week it was called Project Petra and they explained why. And that's just in the last six months. I don't know how much else they're supposed to do without it becoming a programme about Blue Peter.

JAS84 posted:
That had nothing to do with the number of episodes aired. IIRC, one of the presenters had a baby, a new one was hired to cover maternity leave and then stayed on. When the next person left, they weren't replaced.


Er, not quite, because although Zoe Salmon ostensibly arrived as "cover" for Lovely Liz Barker in 2004, Lovely Liz had actually already come back by the time she started, and then after her arrival, Simon Thomas left and was replaced by Gethin Jones. So they still had five hosts. The reason they didn't replace Lovely Liz when she left was because a) she was irreplacable and b) they weren't doing five days a week on CBBC anymore.
BR
Brekkie
Whatever happened to Liz Barker - not heard anything of her since her Blue Peter days.

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