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JO
Joe
StuartPlymouth posted:
Gavin Scott posted:
Table manners are a difficult thing for a blind person to be aware of. So what if he licks his toast? Look away if you want to. Personally I didn't like seeing him licking peanut butter off a knife, but that's not a reason to condemn him.

The guy was 23 when he lost his sight, I assume he'd mastered basic table manners by then so being blind isn't even an excuse, it's just downright uncouth and inconsiderate when other people are watching.

I have blind friends who don't eat like that, and one of them was blind from birth, so he doesn't actually know from seeing how other people behave at the table. Mikey has that advantage as an adult, presumably.

I'm sure you don't like all blind people being tarred with the same brush Stuart, and yet you are doing it now.

What you are really saying is that all blind people are able to eat just as well as somebody with sight - why? You are fortunate enough to not know what it is like to be blind, so don't assume everyone finds it as easy as everyone else. I'm willing to bet many blind people find it much more difficult than others to behave 'normally' at the table.
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Brekkie
Mikey has got cocky this week - and although Nicole and Rex are far from upstanding members of the house, the way Mikey has moved to belittle them at EVERY opportunity this week is disgusting, the worst being just slipping in a comment about Steph sharing a bed with Mikey in front of Nicole, which for a start is something he'd know nothing about considering he slept in the other bedroom and was always in bed by midnight.


And can't believe he didn't get nominated off the back of his week as Head of House - he was by far the worst and was only saved by the plotting of Darnell and Kat to get Lisa and Sara up for eviction.
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Stuart
Jugalug posted:
What you are really saying is that all blind people are able to eat just as well as somebody with sight - why? You are fortunate enough to not know what it is like to be blind, so don't assume everyone finds it as easy as everyone else. I'm willing to bet many blind people find it much more difficult than others to behave 'normally' at the table.

No, what I said that losing his sight at 23 wasn't an excuse to lose his ability to behave properly when eating. The two abilities aren't as connected as he tries to claim.

EDIT:
Jugalug, as an experiment try eating peanut butter on toast, or even something more complex with a blindfold on. I bet it doesn't end up smeared all over your face.
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
StuartPlymouth posted:
Gavin Scott posted:
Table manners are a difficult thing for a blind person to be aware of. So what if he licks his toast? Look away if you want to. Personally I didn't like seeing him licking peanut butter off a knife, but that's not a reason to condemn him.

The guy was 23 when he lost his sight. I assume he'd mastered basic table manners by then, so being blind isn't even an excuse, it's just downright uncouth and inconsiderate when other people are watching.

I have blind friends who don't eat like that, and one of them was blind from birth. Mikey does actually know from seeing how other people behave at the table, so he has that advantage as an adult, presumably.

The 'Rexicole' experience has been bad TV, I agree. I think you are wrong in believing that Rex is controlling though: many of the live feeds I've seen show Nicole as the dominant partner. Rex would basically do anything for her, and she knows it!


Stu, the blind friends you have are irrelevant. They're not all cut from the same cloth.

It *is* difficult to have kinaesthetic awareness when you have lost your sight - like it or not. Its also difficult to keep in mind what looks odd or unpleasant for others when you haven't even seen your own face for the best part of a decade.

Its fine to say he has revolting habits, but in essence you're saying he's a "bad" blind person, because you know blind people who eat neatly. Its a ludicrous statement. Sorry, but it is.

And as for "Rexicole" (man that sounds lame) - they're both wicked bad.
DA
davidmcg
Nico-rex? (Nicorette)
PT
Put The Telly On
I'm surprised grenades weren't flying at her then! Shocked
DB
dbl
94% of the vote, thats a record. Laughing
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Stuart
Gavin Scott posted:
Stu, the blind friends you have are irrelevant. They're not all cut from the same cloth.

They are far from irrelevant.

They make an effort, not just to integrate into normal daily life, but to encourage people to adapt as little as possible to allow them to function the same as people they see just as ’more able individuals’ in some respects.
Gavin Scott posted:
It’s also difficult to keep in mind what looks odd or unpleasant for others when you haven't even seen your own face for the best part of a decade.
Its fine to say he has revolting habits, but in essence you're saying he's a "bad" blind person, because you know blind people who eat neatly. Its a ludicrous statement. Sorry, but it is.

That’s a noble statement, but not supported by any evidence. I phoned my mates, they said your comment was insultingly naïve!
Gavin Scott posted:
And as for "Rexicole" (man that sounds lame) - they're both wicked bad.

I was referring to a name given in many fora, the other was:
djmgpsp posted:
Nico-rex? (Nicorette)

Which isn’t suitable, and generally disregarded by the masses, as it was too close to a commercial product.

PS: It was very unfair of Davina to infer to Nicole that the high eviction vote she got was due to her comments about Mikey. Shocked
I actually thought Nicole did a very good interview.

She hadn't applied to go on BB, she hadn't undergone their supposed 'psychological tests', and she wasn't prepared for the media in the same way ordinary HMs are.
AB
Abysmality
StuartPlymouth posted:
she hadn't undergone their supposed 'psychological tests', and she wasn't prepared for the media in the same way ordinary HMs are.


You know this how?
Oh, wait, you don't. You're assuming. Oh well. Smile
ST
Stuart
Abysmality posted:
StuartPlymouth posted:
she hadn't undergone their supposed 'psychological tests', and she wasn't prepared for the media in the same way ordinary HMs are.

You know this how?
Oh, wait, you don't. You're assuming. Oh well. Smile

I didn't say I'd assumed it, did I?

Explain how you know any different if you wish to challenge it.
BR
Brekkie
StuartPlymouth posted:
PS: It was very unfair of Davina to infer to Nicole that the high eviction vote she got was due to her comments about Mikey. Shocked


Completely agree - her fate was sealed probably the moment she walked in the house, and she had behaved no worse to Mikey than he has towards her.
TO
Tom0
Brekkie posted:
StuartPlymouth posted:
PS: It was very unfair of Davina to infer to Nicole that the high eviction vote she got was due to her comments about Mikey. Shocked


Completely agree - her fate was sealed probably the moment she walked in the house, and she had behaved no worse to Mikey than he has towards her.


Ah, but Mikey is blind, male and old (compared to others in the house) so he's allowed to because its a grumpy old man act, and we can't condemn him because he's blind Wink

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