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JO
Johnny83
Gavin Scott posted:
Paul_S_UK posted:
Gavin Scott posted:
With all due respect, Paul, it isn't for you to say when the "n" word is offensive or not.

What you utter to your friends and family is one thing. This wasn't a one-on-one conversation behind closed doors, this was broadcast to the nation (or at least it could have been if the live stream was on them). I'm sure she thought she was being "street" or "ghetto fabulous" or some other nonsense.

Try explaining that to those who have had the hate-term hurled at them in the past.

I honestly don't know why people on this board - young and fairly intelligent people - would try to justify her actions or even question the decision to axe her.

It's preposterous.


But knowing the "street" or "ghetto fabulous" attitude associated with the "n" word now-a-days, shouldn't the context in which the word is used be analysed, rather than just the use of the word?


Analysed by whom, exactly? White teenage girls from Epping?

What help is that for people on the receiving end of abuse?

When your conversations are being beamed into every house in Britain you need to think twice about your vocabulary.

Try to put yourself in other people's shoes for a minute and you might see it differently.


Not defending this silly bint at all but you would be suprised the amount of white kids in East London / West Essex who like to speak getto.

One argument I have never ever agreed with is that black people can call each other the N word & Asian people the P word as they say they are "claiming the word back" erm, NO those words (especially the N one) were offensive terms used by the old toffy nosed b*stards of the British Army during the days of the British Empire!
DJ
DJGM
Johnny83 posted:

. . . white kids in East London / West Essex who like to speak ghetto.


In other words, pathetic chav scrotes that could each do with a painfully damn good slap across the mush!
JO
Johnny83
DJGM posted:
Johnny83 posted:

. . . white kids in East London / West Essex who like to speak ghetto.


In other words, pathetic chav scrotes that could each do with a painfully damn good slap across the mush!


Exactly, that's them. I never forget I saw the whitest little chav at the bust stop, dressed in a vest & tracksuit bottoms and her saying something along the lines of: "yeah come peeps me wanna go to the shops innit" Rolling Eyes

What was ever wrong with young white kids speaking in a cockney accent.
RM
Roger Mellie
Gavin Scott posted:
Paul_S_UK posted:
Gavin Scott posted:
With all due respect, Paul, it isn't for you to say when the "n" word is offensive or not.

What you utter to your friends and family is one thing. This wasn't a one-on-one conversation behind closed doors, this was broadcast to the nation (or at least it could have been if the live stream was on them). I'm sure she thought she was being "street" or "ghetto fabulous" or some other nonsense.

Try explaining that to those who have had the hate-term hurled at them in the past.

I honestly don't know why people on this board - young and fairly intelligent people - would try to justify her actions or even question the decision to axe her.

It's preposterous.


But knowing the "street" or "ghetto fabulous" attitude associated with the "n" word now-a-days, shouldn't the context in which the word is used be analysed, rather than just the use of the word?


Analysed by whom, exactly? White teenage girls from Epping?

What help is that for people on the receiving end of abuse?

When your conversations are being beamed into every house in Britain you need to think twice about your vocabulary.

Try to put yourself in other people's shoes for a minute and you might see it differently.


Interesting points you both raise, so to play Devil's Advocate:

What about black rap musicians who use the word to describe themselves? Are they right to do so? Should we boycott their records? Is it OK for those musicians to use it in the context of their music?

I can see the argument that it depends how the word is used (invectively,post-modern, affectionately etc), but personally I see it as an unpleasant word.

In terms of people finding such terms offensive, I always asked the people concerned how they would refer to themselves-- easiest way to avoid offence. A lot harder if you are broadcasting to the nation though.

Ironic that "coloured" should be used for black, since technically black isn't a colour (it's a absence of colour)!!
RH
Rhysey
Quote:

Ironic that "coloured" should be used for black, since technically black isn't a colour (it's a absence of colour)!!


Black people I know would refer to themselves as black at all times, so I go by that yardstick if, for any reason, I make reference to their ethnic background.
BE
Ben Founding member
Roger Mellie posted:
What about black rap musicians who use the word to describe themselves? Are they right to do so? Should we boycott their records? Is it OK for those musicians to use it in the context of their music?


There was a great documentary on the subject of the N word on Channel 4 Learning a little while ago, which examined the origins of the word and in the end Harvey from So Solid Crew (I think he was the one making the documentary) realised that using the word, which he had already done in music, wasn't appropriate.

Rhysey posted:
Quote:

Ironic that "coloured" should be used for black, since technically black isn't a colour (it's a absence of colour)!!


Black people I know would refer to themselves as black at all times, so I go by that yardstick if, for any reason, I make reference to their ethnic background.


I've always found the term coloured an incomprehensible one myself. Most black people I know dislike the N word but would have been known to refer to themselves as coloured, not to mention all the other could-be-considered-racist things I have heard said.
RU
russnet Founding member
So Emily gets kicked out of the BB House for calling Charley a 6 letter N word.

Since when has the word Nobody been offensive!
JO
Johnny83
russnet posted:
So Emily gets kicked out of the BB House for calling Charley a 6 letter N word.

Since when has the word Nobody been offensive!


Laughing

I do wonder however if the CBB probs hadn't had happened earlier this year would they have ejected her so quickly? Surely she's not the first to say a racist term & I presume they would have bleeped it out in the past.

That said still haven't watched it so I couldn't give a toss
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A former member
Its ashame these rules were not stated in previous Big Brothers as their has been many times of these types of incidents.
AL
alisterj
Jonathan posted:
Gavin Scott posted:
Paul_S_UK posted:
Gavin Scott posted:
With all due respect, Paul, it isn't for you to say when the "n" word is offensive or not.

What you utter to your friends and family is one thing. This wasn't a one-on-one conversation behind closed doors, this was broadcast to the nation (or at least it could have been if the live stream was on them). I'm sure she thought she was being "street" or "ghetto fabulous" or some other nonsense.

Try explaining that to those who have had the hate-term hurled at them in the past.


I honestly don't know why people on this board - young and fairly intelligent people - would try to justify her actions or even question the decision to axe her.

It's preposterous.


But knowing the "street" or "ghetto fabulous" attitude associated with the "n" word now-a-days, shouldn't the context in which the word is used be analysed, rather than just the use of the word?


White teenage girls from Epping?

Oi! I'm a white teenage girl from Epping! You being racist, Gav? Laughing


It's interesting to see that seemingly, it's okay to toy around with the idea of racism and stereotyping towards the 'white working class'. Oh, that's just fine.

I do agree with Channel 4's decision. I don't understand how she could say such a thing considering what happened in Celebrity Big Brother.
JO
Johnny83
alisterj posted:
Jonathan posted:
Gavin Scott posted:
Paul_S_UK posted:
Gavin Scott posted:
With all due respect, Paul, it isn't for you to say when the "n" word is offensive or not.

What you utter to your friends and family is one thing. This wasn't a one-on-one conversation behind closed doors, this was broadcast to the nation (or at least it could have been if the live stream was on them). I'm sure she thought she was being "street" or "ghetto fabulous" or some other nonsense.

Try explaining that to those who have had the hate-term hurled at them in the past.


I honestly don't know why people on this board - young and fairly intelligent people - would try to justify her actions or even question the decision to axe her.

It's preposterous.


But knowing the "street" or "ghetto fabulous" attitude associated with the "n" word now-a-days, shouldn't the context in which the word is used be analysed, rather than just the use of the word?


White teenage girls from Epping?

Oi! I'm a white teenage girl from Epping! You being racist, Gav? Laughing


It's interesting to see that seemingly, it's okay to toy around with the idea of racism and stereotyping towards the 'white working class'. Oh, that's just fine.

I do agree with Channel 4's decision. I don't understand how she could say such a thing considering what happened in Celebrity Big Brother.


She's obviously a bit thick.

Most rap music has it in it quite predominately (sp) which is still no excuse but may be the reason the retched word is creeping back in again?
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A former member
I guess these sort of situations always start us thinking what if this...what if that. Like the other night when they were chasing Ziggy trying to rip of his swim shorts - now imagine if that was 9 males to 1 female!

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