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Paul_S_UK posted:
The United Kingdom in 2007...what a f**ked up place it is!

"Don't say this, don't say that, don't do this, don't do that, racism this, racism that"...oh f**k off and leave us alone!

Where has this Great countries' backbone and flare gone? This is now a nation of do-gooders, trying to please everyone, and in turn constantly chipping away at our freedoms...and causing many individuals ( Emily in this matter) to become scapegoats in a farce of a situation.

You want RACISM...research the Ku Klux Klan, Black Power, Nazism etc.

To label Emily as RACIST because she blabbed abit of typical black-street-talk is pathetic. And even more stupid and sad considering the black girl present used the word in reference to herself moments later.

Britons need to get a grip and fast!



I Agree!

WHERE THE **** HAS NATIONAL PRIDE AND PATRIOTISM GONE? ?
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Paul_S_UK
Jonathan posted:
Black Power wasn't a racist movement you idiot, it was a movement that asserted and glorified the rights of black people and a movement that was tired of begging for acceptance from whites in America.


I beg your pardon mate. But many historians have criticised Black Power for taking "extreme-pride" in it's members.
JO
Jonathan
Paul_S_UK posted:
Jonathan posted:
Black Power wasn't a racist movement you idiot, it was a movement that asserted and glorified the rights of black people and a movement that was tired of begging for acceptance from whites in America.


I beg your pardon mate. But many historians have criticised Black Power for taking "extreme-pride" in it's members.

Extreme pride is not racism, especially during the 1960s, which you should know as the historian I'm sure you are, was a period of plight for black people. Any way. If you want to talk history, then best not do it here.
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
Paul_S_UK posted:
The United Kingdom in 2007...what a f**ked up place it is!

"Don't say this, don't say that, don't do this, don't do that, racism this, racism that"...oh f**k off and leave us alone!

Where has this Great countries' backbone and flare gone? This is now a nation of do-gooders, trying to please everyone, and in turn constantly chipping away at our freedoms...and causing many individuals ( Emily in this matter) to become scapegoats in a farce of a situation.

You want RACISM...research the Ku Klux Klan, Black Power, Nazism etc.

To label Emily as RACIST because she blabbed abit of typical black-street-talk is pathetic. And even more stupid and sad considering the black girl present used the word in reference to herself moments later.

Britons need to get a grip and fast!


With all due respect, Paul, it isn't for you to say when the "n" word is offensive or not.


What you utter to your friends and family is one thing. This wasn't a one-on-one conversation behind closed doors, this was broadcast to the nation (or at least it could have been if the live stream was on them). I'm sure she thought she was being "street" or "ghetto fabulous" or some other nonsense.

Try explaining that to those who have had the hate-term hurled at them in the past.

I honestly don't know why people on this board - young and fairly intelligent people - would try to justify her actions or even question the decision to axe her.

It's preposterous.
MI
Michael
Gavin Scott posted:
Paul_S_UK posted:
The United Kingdom in 2007...what a f**ked up place it is!

"Don't say this, don't say that, don't do this, don't do that, racism this, racism that"...oh f**k off and leave us alone!

Where has this Great countries' backbone and flare gone? This is now a nation of do-gooders, trying to please everyone, and in turn constantly chipping away at our freedoms...and causing many individuals ( Emily in this matter) to become scapegoats in a farce of a situation.

You want RACISM...research the Ku Klux Klan, Black Power, Nazism etc.

To label Emily as RACIST because she blabbed abit of typical black-street-talk is pathetic. And even more stupid and sad considering the black girl present used the word in reference to herself moments later.

Britons need to get a grip and fast!


With all due respect, Paul, it isn't for you to say when the "n" word is offensive or not.


What you utter to your friends and family is one thing. This wasn't a one-on-one conversation behind closed doors, this was broadcast to the nation (or at least it could have been if the live stream was on them). I'm sure she thought she was being "street" or "ghetto fabulous" or some other nonsense.

Try explaining that to those who have had the hate-term hurled at them in the past.

I honestly don't know why people on this board - young and fairly intelligent people - would try to justify her actions or even question the decision to axe her.

It's preposterous.


Salut Well said.
BR
Brekkie
fishyfish posted:
Just watching Sky's interview with the commissioning editor Angela Jain really makes me laugh - they keep asking the same question again and again with their holier than tho attitude - "why broadcast the offensive language if you think it's wrong?" Because we know what happened last time they didn't broadcast something! Rolling Eyes



And of course Sky News haven't used the word all day - multiple times - while I'm sure the incident will be aired just once by Big Brother itself - it'll almost certainly be edited out of the pre-watershed repeats.
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Paul_S_UK
Jonathan posted:
Paul_S_UK posted:
Jonathan posted:
Black Power wasn't a racist movement you idiot, it was a movement that asserted and glorified the rights of black people and a movement that was tired of begging for acceptance from whites in America.


I beg your pardon mate. But many historians have criticised Black Power for taking "extreme-pride" in it's members.

Extreme pride is not racism, especially during the 1960s, which you should know as the historian I'm sure you are, was a period of plight for black people. Any way. If you want to talk history, then best not do it here.


I fully accept that "extreme-pride" is not necessarily racism - but in the Nazis case it had sickening results.

I agree that Black Power played an extremely important role in the fight for equal rights for Black people in 1960s USA, but this case of "extreme-pride" would have only angered movements like the KKK further...and would have resulted in continued segregation...but that's another issue lol.
JO
Jonathan
Paul_S_UK posted:
Jonathan posted:
Paul_S_UK posted:
Jonathan posted:
Black Power wasn't a racist movement you idiot, it was a movement that asserted and glorified the rights of black people and a movement that was tired of begging for acceptance from whites in America.


I beg your pardon mate. But many historians have criticised Black Power for taking "extreme-pride" in it's members.

Extreme pride is not racism, especially during the 1960s, which you should know as the historian I'm sure you are, was a period of plight for black people. Any way. If you want to talk history, then best not do it here.


I fully accept that "extreme-pride" is not necessarily racism - but in the Nazis case it had sickening results.

I agree that Black Power played an extremely important role in the fight for equal rights for Black people in 1960s USA, but this case of "extreme-pride" would have only angered movements like the KKK further...and would have resulted in continued segregation...but that's another issue lol.

Ok, night-night Grandpa.
:-(
A former member
Big Brothers Big Mouth will air at 11.15pm tonight on Channel 4, i assume this will for the discussion on the events.
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Paul_S_UK
Gavin Scott posted:
With all due respect, Paul, it isn't for you to say when the "n" word is offensive or not.

What you utter to your friends and family is one thing. This wasn't a one-on-one conversation behind closed doors, this was broadcast to the nation (or at least it could have been if the live stream was on them). I'm sure she thought she was being "street" or "ghetto fabulous" or some other nonsense.

Try explaining that to those who have had the hate-term hurled at them in the past.

I honestly don't know why people on this board - young and fairly intelligent people - would try to justify her actions or even question the decision to axe her.

It's preposterous.


But knowing the "street" or "ghetto fabulous" attitude associated with the "n" word now-a-days, shouldn't the context in which the word is used be analysed, rather than just the use of the word?
JO
Jonathan
Paul_S_UK posted:
Gavin Scott posted:
With all due respect, Paul, it isn't for you to say when the "n" word is offensive or not.

What you utter to your friends and family is one thing. This wasn't a one-on-one conversation behind closed doors, this was broadcast to the nation (or at least it could have been if the live stream was on them). I'm sure she thought she was being "street" or "ghetto fabulous" or some other nonsense.

Try explaining that to those who have had the hate-term hurled at them in the past.

I honestly don't know why people on this board - young and fairly intelligent people - would try to justify her actions or even question the decision to axe her.

It's preposterous.


But knowing the "street" or "ghetto fabulous" attitude associated with the "n" word now-a-days, shouldn't the context in which the word is used be analysed, rather than just the use of the word?

NO! It's a horrible word, that is inexusable to use, and should NEVER be justified whatever the context.
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
Paul_S_UK posted:
Gavin Scott posted:
With all due respect, Paul, it isn't for you to say when the "n" word is offensive or not.

What you utter to your friends and family is one thing. This wasn't a one-on-one conversation behind closed doors, this was broadcast to the nation (or at least it could have been if the live stream was on them). I'm sure she thought she was being "street" or "ghetto fabulous" or some other nonsense.

Try explaining that to those who have had the hate-term hurled at them in the past.

I honestly don't know why people on this board - young and fairly intelligent people - would try to justify her actions or even question the decision to axe her.

It's preposterous.


But knowing the "street" or "ghetto fabulous" attitude associated with the "n" word now-a-days, shouldn't the context in which the word is used be analysed, rather than just the use of the word?


Analysed by whom, exactly? White teenage girls from Epping?

What help is that for people on the receiving end of abuse?

When your conversations are being beamed into every house in Britain you need to think twice about your vocabulary.

Try to put yourself in other people's shoes for a minute and you might see it differently.

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