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Markymark
I suspect it was more that vision mixers got more advanced so the gallery could do both things simultaneously.


Maybe, probably at least 3ME banks today.

Also, there's a lot more routing possible these days (no quality to be lost be going in and out of a studio or station router multiple times), so no reason why you couldn't route ' VT' directly through the bug inserter on long inserts etc
IS
Inspector Sands
what
Strange it was done this way as I would think it would've been easier to

It's a well established techniqe, BBC1 used to do it every Saturday. SwapShop/Superstore/Going Live would link to a long pre-record such as a cartoon and pres would then cut to the VT machine directly to free up the studio to rehearse or pre-record. This only stopped when they introduced a DOG so the studio had to stay in circuit all morning.

CBBC used to do the same thing when they were using Pres A for continuity and I suspect live links from Salford work in the same way.

CBBC in TC9 originally used to have the programmes played locally from the studio and they'd go into bypass for rehearsals. Meanwhile a lonely tape op sat in the corridor monitoring it.

However because the corridor was part of the studio area and contained a 'soft area' sometimes they'd be rehearsing next to the VT machine/operator. She/he sitting there worrying that the programme was about to fall off air with It is the Aardvark larking about inches away!

When kids programmes smartest to be made in 16:9 they were played from pres and 4:3 from TC9, so you'd have some programmes with credit squeezes and fancy transitions and some with straight cuts and full credits.

Eventually all the programmes were 16:9 and the studio was eventually converted too, not sure what they did then but I know it wasn't long until the channel was launched and everything changed.

Nowadays I'm not sure what happens.
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Steve in Pudsey
Certainly at some point while CBBC still had slots on BBC1/2 I saw some images or footage that included a monitor in pres labelled as "Clean feed to nations/CBBC"
TI
TIGHazard
Maybe this can help if people can work out what each screen in the gallery is for.



0:46 onwards
FG
FraserGJ
I suspect it was more that vision mixers got more advanced so the gallery could do both things simultaneously.


Maybe, probably at least 3ME banks today.

Also, there's a lot more routing possible these days (no quality to be lost be going in and out of a studio or station router multiple times), so no reason why you couldn't route 'VT' directly through the bug inserter on long inserts etc


Indeed, plus I would guess that the bespoke clock generator would not have the flexibility to interact with the other kit. Lacking the inputs/outputs etc.

I tried to find some info on the clock generator mentioned above but I couldn't find any details (or they were lost amongst the other unrelated clock generator material).
JA
james-2001
When kids programmes smartest to be made in 16:9 they were played from pres and 4:3 from TC9, so you'd have some programmes with credit squeezes and fancy transitions and some with straight cuts and full credits.

Eventually all the programmes were 16:9 and the studio was eventually converted too, not sure what they did then but I know it wasn't long until the channel was launched and everything changed.


There's actually a video of Otis going round studio 9 shortly before they moved in and he even makes a point of showing how the gallery was 16:9 capable even then. Though for whatever reason nothing came out of there in 16:9 until 2001.
SC
scottishtv Founding member
CBBC in TC9 originally used to have the programmes played locally from the studio and they'd go into bypass for rehearsals. Meanwhile a lonely tape op sat in the corridor monitoring it.

However because the corridor was part of the studio area and contained a 'soft area' sometimes they'd be rehearsing next to the VT machine/operator. She/he sitting there worrying that the programme was about to fall off air with It is the Aardvark larking about inches away!

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Great TC9 vid here.
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EG
eggsontoast
I tried to find some info on the clock generator mentioned above but I couldn't find any details (or they were lost amongst the other unrelated clock generator material).


This is it http://i66.tinypic.com/depgd3.jpg Miles M44 On Air Clock
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JasonB
I tried to find some info on the clock generator mentioned above but I couldn't find any details (or they were lost amongst the other unrelated clock generator material).


This is it http://i66.tinypic.com/depgd3.jpg Miles M44 On Air Clock


How were the graphics incorporated/created with this device?
WH
Whataday Founding member
I've never worked with the one above but I've used one similar which allowed you import a background image (ie the clock graphic without any numbers) and you could also import a font (I think - or the font/clock may have had to have been custom built for the hardware) . Then you could play around with the settings such as the font colour/border/transparency etc.
JA
james-2001
30:50:07, it really is true that the days are getting longer.
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IS
Inspector Sands

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Great TC9 vid here.

Yep that's it, not the best set up for a VT area, although when breakfast turned up on school holiday mornings the tape op was in prime position

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