NG
AIUI they tightened up the athletes procession and may have altered the order. However they apparenty showed the bulk of it and didn't edit out the unknown nations - as one might expect. One benefit of not showing it live is that you don't miss stuff during the ad breaks - as viewers in Canada did when CBC interrupted their live coverage for commercials.
The thing that those of us in Britain tend to forget is that the BBC's prime focus is on serving the viewer. NBC's main aim is maximising the revenue that it makes on advertising spots - this is maximised by ensuring the largest number of the right sort of eyeballs watch the coverage. The coverage thus has to be high quality in some respects - but it does mean that it has to be shown during the peak time slots of the day to maximise income, and if it were a repeat in prime time of off-peak live coverage it wouldn't command the same revenue.
NBC is a business serving its shareholders - the BBC is not.
Thankfully Athletics have told them where to stuff it, but it's ridiculous the swimming schedule has been turned upside down for the benefit of NBC. The IOC try and justify it due to the cost involved, but NBC know when they bid for the games they're not often going to be in America, so if NBC are willing to pay, they should accept the consequences.
Yep - but the numbers involved are so huge that NBC understandably exerts a lot of scheduling power.
AIUI the EBU paid US$443million for the Beijing games - which is shared by all the EBU rights holders - BBC, ARD/ZDF, TVE, FT, RAI etc. NBC paid more than double this for the US rights I believe - and will be paying more than US$1.18billion for the 2012 games in London.
That kind of money talks very loudly...
After all, viewers in Europe, Asia and Africa are now suffering due to the decisions made to benefit the Americans, meaning the swimming finals - arguably the flagship events of week one, are at unsociable hours rather than in primetime for the local audience and mid-afternoon for us.
Yep - though the US pays more than the rest of the world combined, I believe, for the TV rights - so some sports with a US focus (and with US-friendly governing bodies) will be more amenable to schedule changes I guess. It isn't as if they are asking people to swim at 3am.
noggin
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Brekkie posted:
It's ridiculous that NBC won't even give their own viewers the chance to watch the Opening Ceremony live at an unsociable hour. Having pre-recorded it though I don't blame them for cropping an hour off the running time, presumably most of which came from the 2 hour athletes procession. That is an issue which needs addressing.
AIUI they tightened up the athletes procession and may have altered the order. However they apparenty showed the bulk of it and didn't edit out the unknown nations - as one might expect. One benefit of not showing it live is that you don't miss stuff during the ad breaks - as viewers in Canada did when CBC interrupted their live coverage for commercials.
The thing that those of us in Britain tend to forget is that the BBC's prime focus is on serving the viewer. NBC's main aim is maximising the revenue that it makes on advertising spots - this is maximised by ensuring the largest number of the right sort of eyeballs watch the coverage. The coverage thus has to be high quality in some respects - but it does mean that it has to be shown during the peak time slots of the day to maximise income, and if it were a repeat in prime time of off-peak live coverage it wouldn't command the same revenue.
NBC is a business serving its shareholders - the BBC is not.
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Thankfully Athletics have told them where to stuff it, but it's ridiculous the swimming schedule has been turned upside down for the benefit of NBC. The IOC try and justify it due to the cost involved, but NBC know when they bid for the games they're not often going to be in America, so if NBC are willing to pay, they should accept the consequences.
Yep - but the numbers involved are so huge that NBC understandably exerts a lot of scheduling power.
AIUI the EBU paid US$443million for the Beijing games - which is shared by all the EBU rights holders - BBC, ARD/ZDF, TVE, FT, RAI etc. NBC paid more than double this for the US rights I believe - and will be paying more than US$1.18billion for the 2012 games in London.
That kind of money talks very loudly...
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After all, viewers in Europe, Asia and Africa are now suffering due to the decisions made to benefit the Americans, meaning the swimming finals - arguably the flagship events of week one, are at unsociable hours rather than in primetime for the local audience and mid-afternoon for us.
Yep - though the US pays more than the rest of the world combined, I believe, for the TV rights - so some sports with a US focus (and with US-friendly governing bodies) will be more amenable to schedule changes I guess. It isn't as if they are asking people to swim at 3am.
HA
Yep - I hear there were problems with the IBC feeds of the opening ceremony. I guess the BBC had their own circuits - as apart from the problems on day one with no 5.1 sound on BBC HD - they were fine.
Is the BBC using 5.1 sound then, I heard its 2.0
harshy
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noggin posted:
timgraham posted:
Seven had an interesting time with that over here - they seemed to be plonked in whenever something interesting started to happen, and there were quite a few as well.
They also had audio difficulties for the first 15 minutes, which is apparently something that also happened to CBC.
They also had audio difficulties for the first 15 minutes, which is apparently something that also happened to CBC.
Yep - I hear there were problems with the IBC feeds of the opening ceremony. I guess the BBC had their own circuits - as apart from the problems on day one with no 5.1 sound on BBC HD - they were fine.
Is the BBC using 5.1 sound then, I heard its 2.0
BC
Yep - I hear there were problems with the IBC feeds of the opening ceremony. I guess the BBC had their own circuits - as apart from the problems on day one with no 5.1 sound on BBC HD - they were fine.
Is the BBC using 5.1 sound then, I heard its 2.0
Yes BBC HD in 5.1, although they had lots of sound dropouts during the early part of the opening ceremony and switched to 2.0 (there was an apology following the programme, first time I've seen that on BBC HD). As I think might have been mentioned earlier in the thread, Eurosport HD didn't seem to have those problems as they were in 5.1 throughout.
Blake Connolly
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harshy posted:
noggin posted:
timgraham posted:
Seven had an interesting time with that over here - they seemed to be plonked in whenever something interesting started to happen, and there were quite a few as well.
They also had audio difficulties for the first 15 minutes, which is apparently something that also happened to CBC.
They also had audio difficulties for the first 15 minutes, which is apparently something that also happened to CBC.
Yep - I hear there were problems with the IBC feeds of the opening ceremony. I guess the BBC had their own circuits - as apart from the problems on day one with no 5.1 sound on BBC HD - they were fine.
Is the BBC using 5.1 sound then, I heard its 2.0
Yes BBC HD in 5.1, although they had lots of sound dropouts during the early part of the opening ceremony and switched to 2.0 (there was an apology following the programme, first time I've seen that on BBC HD). As I think might have been mentioned earlier in the thread, Eurosport HD didn't seem to have those problems as they were in 5.1 throughout.
AH
its interesteing that the opening ceremony is not available on iplayer - only the highlights.
does anyone have a copy of the opening ceremony, less the athelete procession?
Ash
does anyone have a copy of the opening ceremony, less the athelete procession?
Ash
AG
The Opening Ceremony is on BBC iPlayer.
ahall41116 posted:
its interesteing that the opening ceremony is not available on iplayer - only the highlights.
does anyone have a copy of the opening ceremony, less the athelete procession?
Ash
does anyone have a copy of the opening ceremony, less the athelete procession?
Ash
The Opening Ceremony is on BBC iPlayer.
NG
Yep - I hear there were problems with the IBC feeds of the opening ceremony. I guess the BBC had their own circuits - as apart from the problems on day one with no 5.1 sound on BBC HD - they were fine.
Is the BBC using 5.1 sound then, I heard its 2.0
Yes BBC HD in 5.1, although they had lots of sound dropouts during the early part of the opening ceremony and switched to 2.0 (there was an apology following the programme, first time I've seen that on BBC HD). As I think might have been mentioned earlier in the thread, Eurosport HD didn't seem to have those problems as they were in 5.1 throughout.
Yep - there was a problem (since resolved) with the BBC 5.1 backhaul circuit from Beijing to London. The 2.0 circuit (used for BBC One SD) was fine so BBC HD switched to it.
On occasions the 5.1 audio has been nearer 4.0, and contains 2.0 material as well, but as the overall Beijing studio operation is 5.1 these items aren't switched to 4.0 or 2.0 in Dolby stream terms.
Dealing with the sound is MUCH more difficult than the pictures at the moment. (Most of the host broadcast venues are delivering EIGHT audio streams - not using Dolby - to rights holders at the IBC. 6 channels of surround (i.e. the 5.1 streams) and 2 channels of stereo for those non-5.1 broadcasters. Broadcasters on-site are using Dolby E to reduce the bandwith required from 6 PCM streams to that required for 2. (Many HD VTRs only support 8 audio tracks.)
noggin
Founding member
Blake Connolly posted:
harshy posted:
noggin posted:
timgraham posted:
Seven had an interesting time with that over here - they seemed to be plonked in whenever something interesting started to happen, and there were quite a few as well.
They also had audio difficulties for the first 15 minutes, which is apparently something that also happened to CBC.
They also had audio difficulties for the first 15 minutes, which is apparently something that also happened to CBC.
Yep - I hear there were problems with the IBC feeds of the opening ceremony. I guess the BBC had their own circuits - as apart from the problems on day one with no 5.1 sound on BBC HD - they were fine.
Is the BBC using 5.1 sound then, I heard its 2.0
Yes BBC HD in 5.1, although they had lots of sound dropouts during the early part of the opening ceremony and switched to 2.0 (there was an apology following the programme, first time I've seen that on BBC HD). As I think might have been mentioned earlier in the thread, Eurosport HD didn't seem to have those problems as they were in 5.1 throughout.
Yep - there was a problem (since resolved) with the BBC 5.1 backhaul circuit from Beijing to London. The 2.0 circuit (used for BBC One SD) was fine so BBC HD switched to it.
On occasions the 5.1 audio has been nearer 4.0, and contains 2.0 material as well, but as the overall Beijing studio operation is 5.1 these items aren't switched to 4.0 or 2.0 in Dolby stream terms.
Dealing with the sound is MUCH more difficult than the pictures at the moment. (Most of the host broadcast venues are delivering EIGHT audio streams - not using Dolby - to rights holders at the IBC. 6 channels of surround (i.e. the 5.1 streams) and 2 channels of stereo for those non-5.1 broadcasters. Broadcasters on-site are using Dolby E to reduce the bandwith required from 6 PCM streams to that required for 2. (Many HD VTRs only support 8 audio tracks.)
BC
Blake Connolly
Founding member
Just seen this story on the Sky website:
Olympic Fireworks Faked for TV
Very surprised that anyone thought that sequence was real in the first place! It was so obvious they were CGI I thought you were supposed to know they weren't real!
Olympic Fireworks Faked for TV
Very surprised that anyone thought that sequence was real in the first place! It was so obvious they were CGI I thought you were supposed to know they weren't real!
BR
Next they'll be telling us the bloke didn't actually fly with the Olympic torch!
Blake Connolly posted:
Just seen this story on the Sky website:
Olympic Fireworks Faked for TV
Very surprised that anyone thought that sequence was real in the first place! It was so obvious they were CGI I thought you were supposed to know they weren't real!
Olympic Fireworks Faked for TV
Very surprised that anyone thought that sequence was real in the first place! It was so obvious they were CGI I thought you were supposed to know they weren't real!
Next they'll be telling us the bloke didn't actually fly with the Olympic torch!
BB
Next they'll be telling us the bloke didn't actually fly with the Olympic torch!
Course not - he was CGI! LOL
Brekkie posted:
Blake Connolly posted:
Just seen this story on the Sky website:
Olympic Fireworks Faked for TV
Very surprised that anyone thought that sequence was real in the first place! It was so obvious they were CGI I thought you were supposed to know they weren't real!
Olympic Fireworks Faked for TV
Very surprised that anyone thought that sequence was real in the first place! It was so obvious they were CGI I thought you were supposed to know they weren't real!
Next they'll be telling us the bloke didn't actually fly with the Olympic torch!
Course not - he was CGI! LOL
BR
I think these are the official titles for the games, though not seen any glimpse of them on BBCi yet.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=r-jncshJIuE
They're not bad, but pretty standard stuff, and not as good as the Torino ones IMO. Still better than what we've got though IMO - the promo did win me over in the end but as the titles it just doesn't work at all IMO.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=r-jncshJIuE
They're not bad, but pretty standard stuff, and not as good as the Torino ones IMO. Still better than what we've got though IMO - the promo did win me over in the end but as the titles it just doesn't work at all IMO.
NG
It was quite obvious the fireworks in that sequence weren't live - they had "film motion" (i.e. 25p rather than 50i) which would be a very unusual choice for a live shot.
I know that the Chinese have 3D modelled the entire city for this purpose - and a few other broadcasters have bought animations from them...
noggin
Founding member
Blake Connolly posted:
Just seen this story on the Sky website:
Olympic Fireworks Faked for TV
Very surprised that anyone thought that sequence was real in the first place! It was so obvious they were CGI I thought you were supposed to know they weren't real!
Olympic Fireworks Faked for TV
Very surprised that anyone thought that sequence was real in the first place! It was so obvious they were CGI I thought you were supposed to know they weren't real!
It was quite obvious the fireworks in that sequence weren't live - they had "film motion" (i.e. 25p rather than 50i) which would be a very unusual choice for a live shot.
I know that the Chinese have 3D modelled the entire city for this purpose - and a few other broadcasters have bought animations from them...