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bbc1/bbc2 overnight shutdown question

(December 2006)

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Markymark
Mark Boulton posted:


Maybe not a RBR test, but I remember a really trippy test transmission sometime in 1992 or 93 which was shown simultaneously on BBC2 and C4. I seem to remember it was in widescreen, and featured all sorts of geometric patterns, animated and sliding colour bars and spinning discs, cycling colours and rotating crossed lines. This was set to some really bizarre (but mesmerising) trance-like instrumental music. One thing I remember in particular was the dot-matrix caption overlaid onto this, reading "Engineering Test Transmission" followed by either "Camera Mode" or "Film Mode". The test toggled between the two modes, where the latter was - you've guessed it - filmised.


Those were PAL Plus test broadcasts. As I understand it primarily to see how the transmitters would cope with the PALPlus helper signal that contains 'blacker than black' signals. The conclusion was that some of the BBC2 klystrons couldn't handle the signal, but C4's Tx network (that was of course newer) had fewer problems. That's one of the reasons why the Beeb never pursued PALPlus.

Mark Boulton posted:

Many parts of it looked similar to MPEG test animations, and I do wonder if it was indeed testing compression. I remember in 92/93 seeing what looked like compression artefacts on C4 (but never on BBC2), but different to the sort we see with MPEG today. In particular, scrolling credits often set off a brief white 'spark' against the edge of some of the text - but always in one spot only - but just about every programme had one instance of this. I also spotted that where credits were on a plain black background, I could see pixellation-and-hold artefacts on that background - i.e. there appeared to be temporal encoding going on even then.


There were problems with the codecs on C4's network distribution system that BT brought on line from Jan 1993. The white flashes were indeed artefacts introduced by the codecs. There was also some subtle problem with the D-SIS/NICAM too, but I can't remember the details.
PE
pear
are the tests on tonight at 2:30 am
AN
Ant
thegeek posted:
Ant posted:
Didn't realise the tests were tonight (5th). I've just bought a new telly and good old analogue hasn't even been configured yet.

Is News 24 usually broadcast on digital when the tests are ongoing?
They're not tonight - they're 24 and a bit hours from now...

Digital services should continue as normal.

Yeah it's always a bit confusing after midnight (that's why I put '(5th)' on the original post).
GE
thegeek Founding member
Ant posted:
thegeek posted:
Ant posted:
Didn't realise the tests were tonight (5th). I've just bought a new telly and good old analogue hasn't even been configured yet.
They're not tonight - they're 24 and a bit hours from now...

Yeah it's always a bit confusing after midnight (that's why I put '(5th)' on the original post).
Plenty of time to get analogue set up then! Smile
LL
Larry the Loafer
Someone will be recording it, right?
OV
Orry Verducci
I will be recording it provided I can get the darn set top aerial working.
PE
pear
only a few hours to go until bbc 2 do their test
BI
big_fat
pear posted:
only a few hours to go until bbc 2 do there test


"Their", not "there". Take some f**king English lessons.
PE
pear
big_fat posted:
pear posted:
only a few hours to go until bbc 2 do there test


"Their", not "there". Take some f**king English lessons.


Sorry big_fat i rushed my post as i have got more important things to do then sit around a computer and looking for spellling errors.

big_fat you are in a very good mood tonight.
JV
James Vertigan Founding member
Sorry, I know it's not the request forum, but it seems the most appropriate place to ask:

If somebody could please record about a minute or so of the test card for me tonight (either BBC1 or BBC2, it doesn't matter - and only the test card, nothing else!) as a Windows Media Player file, I would be grateful...
PC
Paul Clark
Test Card J and speaking clock w/ tone now on analogue here.
JV
James Vertigan Founding member
Same in London (obviously!) but Ceefax still appears to be on air here in London - I wonder what will happen on BBC2 Digital if they cut the teletext signal during these tests (as they have done in the past) on analogue, as isn't the generator just an off air receiver tuned to page 152?

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