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(April 2007)

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HA
harshy Founding member
deejay posted:
BBC Prime routinely took Newsday, bits of The World Today and a few other BBC World News bulletins in much the same way that BBC America still do (as far as I know...). An edited version of Newsnight was taken on BBC WSTV in the very early days of the channels but I'm not sure when this ended. Some other bulletins from the national newsroom also made it to air on Prime. Breaking stories of a European nature were taken from the World Newsroom occasionally. Prime also opted live into BBC 1 or 2 for certain live programmes, notably Noels House Party and Good Morning with Anne and Nick which were two particular headaches for the Network Directors. Noel because it routinely overran, and Good Morning because of its 'breaks' and in vision presentation links done by Pebble Mill's pres studio in and out of domestic news sumaries plus regional opts! All rather interesting for the poor ND in Prime who had to take the news but not the opts, filling instead with Wildlife shorts and Weather forecasts, and get back cleanly to Briminghams output... All in all those jucntions required use of all the suites OS lines, lots of tapes standing by in instant start VTRs and nerves of steel!

All this shenanigans came to an end in 1998 when most live programmes on Prime were axed with the exception of national events like the State Opening of Parliament, The Cenotaph and bizarrely The Lord Mayor's Show which remain fixtures on the channel to this day. The reactive nature of Prime's schedule also ended, so regular news bulletins on the channel were also consigned to the past. Prime now simply points to BBC World by means of an caption strap should a seriously major story break. The thinking was that most viewers who received Prime also received World (same satellite, free to air) so could watch News when they wanted.

Prime stil shows entertainment events like Comic Relief and Children in Need plus The Eurovision Song Contest complete with Terry Wogan's commentary (but without the UK Voting straps!) because of an option in the EBU's rules that allow a wholly owned DTH channel by a member to show it for free. I assume this is why TVEi show the ESC too...


BBC Prime in the past sounded like a great channel despite the problems they had, does BBC Prime actually even make a profit for the BBC?
RW
RWT
deejay posted:
BBC Prime routinely took Newsday, bits of The World Today and a few other BBC World News bulletins in much the same way that BBC America still do (as far as I know...). An edited version of Newsnight was taken on BBC WSTV in the very early days of the channels but I'm not sure when this ended. Some other bulletins from the national newsroom also made it to air on Prime. Breaking stories of a European nature were taken from the World Newsroom occasionally. Prime also opted live into BBC 1 or 2 for certain live programmes, notably Noels House Party and Good Morning with Anne and Nick which were two particular headaches for the Network Directors. Noel because it routinely overran, and Good Morning because of its 'breaks' and in vision presentation links done by Pebble Mill's pres studio in and out of domestic news sumaries plus regional opts! All rather interesting for the poor ND in Prime who had to take the news but not the opts, filling instead with Wildlife shorts and Weather forecasts, and get back cleanly to Briminghams output... All in all those jucntions required use of all the suites OS lines, lots of tapes standing by in instant start VTRs and nerves of steel!

All this shenanigans came to an end in 1998 when most live programmes on Prime were axed with the exception of national events like the State Opening of Parliament, The Cenotaph and bizarrely The Lord Mayor's Show which remain fixtures on the channel to this day. The reactive nature of Prime's schedule also ended, so regular news bulletins on the channel were also consigned to the past. Prime now simply points to BBC World by means of an caption strap should a seriously major story break. The thinking was that most viewers who received Prime also received World (same satellite, free to air) so could watch News when they wanted.

Prime stil shows entertainment events like Comic Relief and Children in Need plus The Eurovision Song Contest complete with Terry Wogan's commentary (but without the UK Voting straps!) because of an option in the EBU's rules that allow a wholly owned DTH channel by a member to show it for free. I assume this is why TVEi show the ESC too...


well that sounds like BFBS which today still covers network junctions and regional opts in the same fashion... nerves of steel indeed
GO
gottago
deejay posted:
Prime stil shows entertainment events like Comic Relief and Children in Need plus The Eurovision Song Contest complete with Terry Wogan's commentary (but without the UK Voting straps!) because of an option in the EBU's rules that allow a wholly owned DTH channel by a member to show it for free. I assume this is why TVEi show the ESC too...
They don't show these live events anymore because of some new system they have according to the FAQs on the website. My guess is the channel is "pre-programmed" if you will and just automatically starts the programme when the time-slot comes around. Kind of like ABC1.
SP
Steve in Pudsey
RWT posted:
well that sounds like BFBS which today still covers network junctions and regional opts in the same fashion... nerves of steel indeed


That's not all that different to what the BBC nations do is it?
DE
deejay
Steve in Pudsey posted:
RWT posted:
well that sounds like BFBS which today still covers network junctions and regional opts in the same fashion... nerves of steel indeed


That's not all that different to what the BBC nations do is it?


No it's more or less exactly what the nations do, but they don't have to take a live programme on (say) BBC 1 and get in cleanly to a programme on 2, which is on-air after another live programme. Neither live programmes have fixed end times... go figure... Prime (and more so in the days of the WSTV Europe channel) did this kind of channel hopping routinely! Yes, in it's reactive days, Prime was clearly a challenging channel to be the ND for! Incidentally, WSTV Europe used to have a live announcer as well I believe...

I've just looked at the BBC Prime Website and it does indeed confirm in the FAQs that it will no longer be showing any live events.

Quote:
Sadly we will not be showing live events, such as EUROVISION SONG CONTEST, COMIC RELEIF or THE BAFTA's on BBC Prime anymore. BBC Prime's management has introduced a number of changes to the schedule, which are intended to improve the relevance and appeal of the channel to the widest audience and a decision was taken that we will no longer show live events.


The BAFTAs? I never recall Prime showing that! Anyway, I think that decision is very sad. Although the events that Prime took until this year were a little diverse , they did I suppose reflect national events in the UK. Remembrance, State Opening of Parliament, even Children in Need in a way is a national event. The website also confirms that BBC Learning isn't part of the schedule any more. Originally, Prime had it's own Learning Zone and took some Zones live from BBC 2... It later became BBC Learning with it's own branding but relying on the large schools and OU archive. I would have thought that was an inexpensive and efficient way of filling the overnight schedule and a pretty unique selling point among the myriad of other euro-tripe channels...
SP
Steve in Pudsey
deejay posted:

No it's more or less exactly what the nations do, but they don't have to take a live programme on (say) BBC 1 and get in cleanly to a programme on 2, which is on-air after another live programme. Neither live programmes have fixed end times... go figure...


ouch - is this done with the assistance of PRESFAX and network talkback or is it a wing it and crash into the programme when you can operation?
RW
RWT
Steve in Pudsey posted:
deejay posted:

No it's more or less exactly what the nations do, but they don't have to take a live programme on (say) BBC 1 and get in cleanly to a programme on 2, which is on-air after another live programme. Neither live programmes have fixed end times... go figure...


ouch - is this done with the assistance of PRESFAX and network talkback or is it a wing it and crash into the programme when you can operation?


Presfax and talkback is used by BFBS... and there's a live announcer... plus other sources are in the mix
IS
Inspector Sands
RWT posted:

Presfax and talkback is used by BFBS... and there's a live announcer... plus other sources are in the mix


Do they have to crash into the dirty feed of BBC1/2 or do they have everything clean like the BBC nations?
RW
RWT
Inspector Sands posted:
RWT posted:

Presfax and talkback is used by BFBS... and there's a live announcer... plus other sources are in the mix


Do they have to crash into the dirty feed of BBC1/2 or do they have everything clean like the BBC nations?


mostly dirty feed but sometimes cleans for news - crashes are kept to a minimum... they do a really good job considering the juggling they have to do espec at weekends
GE
thegeek Founding member
gottago posted:
My guess is the channel is "pre-programmed" if you will and just automatically starts the programme when the time-slot comes around. Kind of like ABC1.
Prime is largely run under automation, but does still have a playout director looking after it 24/7. They finalise the schedules and make sure everything's running to time, and step in should Omnibus go potty - but these days they also have several other channels to keep an eye on too. One of them lurks around these parts sometimes...

deejay posted:
[No it's more or less exactly what the nations do, but they don't have to take a live programme on (say) BBC 1 and get in cleanly to a programme on 2, which is on-air after another live programme. Neither live programmes have fixed end times... go figure...
I think the closest you get is the end of Newsnight on BBC Two Scotland - although both network and Newsnight Scotland are aiming for a 2320 off-air time, you have to hope for the best that they both manage it...

RWT posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
Do they have to crash into the dirty feed of BBC1/2 or do they have everything clean like the BBC nations?


mostly dirty feed but sometimes cleans for news - crashes are kept to a minimum... they do a really good job considering the juggling they have to do espec at weekends

BFBS (along with a handful of other broadcasters) get a clean feed of N6 for the main bulletins. BFBS also get their own weather forecasts a few times a day, which concentrates on the main military bases.
DE
deejay
I have found a little more information about the origins of the BBC's international channels in the book The BBC: 70 Years of Broadcasting, which was published in 1992.

Quote:
It was a natural ambition for the BBC to create a television equivalent of its international radio service. In March 1991, the ambition was achieved when the first 30 minute nightly bulletin of BBC World Service Television News was transmitted to Europe by satellite as part of a subscription satellite channel, BBC TV Europe. A wholly owned self-fundiong subsidiary of the BBC called BBC World Service Television Ltd, was created in April 1991 and in October it extended its operation into Asia through an agreement with a Hong Kong commercial enterprise. This company provides the capital and marketing skills for running a multi-channel operation, one of which is World Service Television. It also inserts the advertisements which support the operation...

From 15th November 1991, World Service Television was running a 24 hour news operation...

Step-by-step this service has been extended, first to the Middle East and then to Africa where, from April 1992, many more million people (sic) were able to view BBC News. By the end of 1993, BBC World Service Television is aiming to be global.

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