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(April 2007)

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tvf6rum
It is unfair that these channels aren't available on the main UK dTV platforms. After all you would think all BBC (BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation) channels would be available in BRITAIN.

(I know that there was already a BBC World Thread)
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rob Founding member
From TV FAQ's...

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Unlike the BBC's television and radio services in the United Kingdom (known as the "Home Services"), BBC WORLD, and other BBC services broadcast around the world with the exception of BBC World Service is funded by audience subscriptions and advertising revenues.

Under the terms of the BBC Royal Charter and Agreement 1996, the BBC is not permitted to broadcast commercially-funded services unless the BBC brand is disassociated with them. This is, for example, how the BBC is able to get away with commercial operations such as UKTV, which it operates in partnership with Telewest Broadband subsidiary, Flextech. For these reasons, BBC WORLD is not, and will not be, available to the general audiences of the United Kingdom for the foreseeable future.

Quite apart from any legalities, the simple fact is that BBC WORLD is not needed in the UK, where BBC NEWS 24 already provides a rolling news service. To those who would suggest merging the two for simulcast around the world and across the UK, this is ill-considered, because the remits of the two channels are vastly different, and while the two may share presenters, correspondents and reports, the overall packages of the two are uniquely suited to their respective audiences.

BBC WORLD is available to watch in the UK in some ways however. Try checking yourself into an expensive hotel for a few days, and you may well find it playing there. And if you need to get from London Heathrow Airport into central London, then avoid the Tube, and instead get the Heathrow Express for a pre-recorded 15-minute news summary. If you can't afford to live in a hotel for the rest of your life, or you live nowhere near Heathrow Airport, then your last desperate course of action must be to simply purchase a battered old satellite dish and point it towards Hotbird 13 East, and tune BBC WORLD into your one of your television's spare channels. You will then be able to give up your job, ditch your partner, and vegetate in your favourite armchair watching BBC WORLD.
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itsrobert Founding member
BBC World and Prime aren't officially available in Britain because they are funded by advertisements and by law the BBC can't broadcast such channels in the UK.

You can get BBC World with the right equipment (i.e. a large enough dish pointed at HotBird and a digital receiver). I live in the UK and can watch BBC World and I can honestly say that these days, you aren't missing much. Before 2003, BBC World and BBC News 24 were quite different channels. However, with the last two relaunches of BBC News, the differences have been ironed out. You don't get anything extra now with BBC World than you would get with BBC News 24. Both have live news, business, sport and weather and BBC World has filler programmes in back half hours. Many of these are available on News 24 overnight or at weekends (WBR, Asia Today, HARDtalk, Click, Extra Time, etc.). And those programmes that aren't shown on BBC News 24 either have already been shown domestically at some point (e.g. Francesco's Italy was shown on World recently....that was shown on BBC1 in June 2006) or are not worth watching.

On the odd occasions that BBC Prime has been unencrypted, it has merely been a mixture of BBC1 and UKTV Gold. You are not missing anything there.

So, I really wouldn't waste your time and money. Several years ago when BBC World and News 24 looked different (i.e. different idents) there was a case for watching World in the UK, at least for the TV pres fan. But, now they even look identical, so there really is no point.
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jrothwell97
itsrobert posted:
You can get BBC World with the right equipment (i.e. a large enough dish pointed at HotBird and a digital receiver).


I thought the Hotbird signal had been switched off? Or is that just the analogue signal?

And how big is 'big enough' when it comes to reciever dishes?
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Bewitched_Fan_2k
Privatise the BBC, then all licence fees issues finished forever and all the BBC world channels could be broadcast here too. Simple!
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jrothwell97
Bewitched_Fan_2k posted:
Privatise the BBC, then all licence fees issues finished forever and all the BBC world channels could be broadcast here too. Simple!


The BBC is private, even though it's established by Royal Charter. According to the Charter the BBC

  1. must not show advertisements or sell commercial airtime
  2. may not show any editorial bias
  3. must act as a completely independent body, uninfluenced by the Government or the Crown and answering only to its viewers and listeners


How would the BBC raise money if it didn't have the license fee and couldn't show adverts?

I'm fine with the license fee.
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itsrobert Founding member
jrothwell97 posted:
itsrobert posted:
You can get BBC World with the right equipment (i.e. a large enough dish pointed at HotBird and a digital receiver).


I thought the Hotbird signal had been switched off? Or is that just the analogue signal?

And how big is 'big enough' when it comes to reciever dishes?


That's just the analogue signal. It survives in digital on HotBird and, indeed, Astra (not Sky).

In terms of dish size, I don't know about everywhere but I'm in the North West and have an 80cm dish.
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marbles333
Isn't BBC Prime in the process of being re-branded to BBC Entertainment? Personally I've never seen anything wrong with the BBC Prime brand.
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archiveTV
itsrobert posted:
BBC World and Prime aren't officially available in Britain because they are funded by advertisements and by law the BBC can't broadcast such channels in the UK.

You can get BBC World with the right equipment (i.e. a large enough dish pointed at HotBird and a digital receiver). I live in the UK and can watch BBC World and I can honestly say that these days, you aren't missing much. Before 2003, BBC World and BBC News 24 were quite different channels. However, with the last two relaunches of BBC News, the differences have been ironed out. You don't get anything extra now with BBC World than you would get with BBC News 24. Both have live news, business, sport and weather and BBC World has filler programmes in back half hours. Many of these are available on News 24 overnight or at weekends (WBR, Asia Today, HARDtalk, Click, Extra Time, etc.). And those programmes that aren't shown on BBC News 24 either have already been shown domestically at some point (e.g. Francesco's Italy was shown on World recently....that was shown on BBC1 in June 2006) or are not worth watching.

On the odd occasions that BBC Prime has been unencrypted, it has merely been a mixture of BBC1 and UKTV Gold. You are not missing anything there.

So, I really wouldn't waste your time and money. Several years ago when BBC World and News 24 looked different (i.e. different idents) there was a case for watching World in the UK, at least for the TV pres fan. But, now they even look identical, so there really is no point.


You miss the biggest difference between BBC World and BBC News24, the news agenda. World has a much more global outlook. It's much prefered by those who can't stand news24's endless rolling news on missing babies and UK politics.
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A former member
jrothwell97 posted:
Bewitched_Fan_2k posted:
Privatise the BBC, then all licence fees issues finished forever and all the BBC world channels could be broadcast here too. Simple!


The BBC is private, even though it's established by Royal Charter. According to the Charter the BBC

  1. must not show advertisements or sell commercial airtime
  2. may not show any editorial bias
  3. must act as a completely independent body, uninfluenced by the Government or the Crown and answering only to its viewers and listeners


How would the BBC raise money if it didn't have the license fee and couldn't show adverts?

I'm fine with the license fee.


so AN act of government is Needed Or is that actully Imposable! and it Must stick to this format tell the end of time, space and the unerverasl?
MI
Michael
623058 posted:


so AN act of government is Needed Or is that actully Imposable! and it Must stick to this format tell the end of time, space and the unerverasl?


Help....my brain hurts reading that....
GO
gottago
itsrobert posted:

I live in the UK and can watch BBC World and I can honestly say that these days, you aren't missing much. Before 2003, BBC World and BBC News 24 were quite different channels. However, with the last two relaunches of BBC News, the differences have been ironed out. You don't get anything extra now with BBC World than you would get with BBC News 24.
Perhaps they did this for the sake of stopping people in the UK attempting to watch the channel. They bored people enough to leave!

This is potentially a stupid question but why is BBC Prime called "Prime"?

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