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Several BBC World Intro Graphic problems+ OLD ident goes out

(December 2003)

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A former member
During the first story (about 10" after the DOG completed its reveal sequence) the BBC World intro seq (no sound) kicked in again .

As it happened the DOG disappeared - also, the 3D headline showed again (MOSCOW BOMB) - and the graphic stayed on screen for its whole duration (why did no-one fade it out?).. then smoothly faded back to presenter (who had carried on through it.. thankfully!) The DOG then did its reveal sequence again.

So:
1. Either someone hit the button or it just firing itself and putting itself to air

2. Since it replaced the presenter and smoothly faded back to him - does this mean the logo doesn't have to be opened as a source - it just overrides everything else? If not.. someone faded it up and triggered it - seems unlikely (if it was just the wrong source faded up then why wasn't it static?) I'm guessing that source actually stays faded up - and that the DOG reveal sequence and subsequent rotation is on the end of it.

3. Either Graphics & music are not linked (maybe there's a button to trigger each of them) - or the sound fader was down (luckily)

Can anyone confirm any of those thoughts?

I assume if the source *is* live all the time and is providing the DOG then it could become a bit of a liability if it restarts itself or is too easily triggered!
MA
Marcus Founding member
drew posted:
At 18:00 GMT, the BBC World intro graphics kicked in again during the first story (about 10" after the DOG completed its reveal sequence)

As it happened the DOG disappeared - also, the same 3D headline showed again (MOSCOW BOMB) - and stayed on screen for it's whole duration (until "BBC NEWS.. BBC WORLD").. then smoothly faded back to presenter (who had carried on through it.. thankfully!) The DOG then did its reveal sequence again.

So:
1. Either someone hit the button, rather than it just firing itself and putting itself to air - or there's a fault which allowed it to do just that

It's a fault
Quote:

2. Since it replaced the presenter image and smoothly faded back to him - does this mean the logo doesn't have to be opened as a source - it just overrides everything else? If not.. someone faded it up and triggered it - seems unlikely (if it was just the wrong source faded up then why wasn't it static?) I'm guessing that source actually stays faded up - and that the DOG reveal sequences is on the end of it.

The titles are generated downstream of the vision mixer, so if they decide to fire off there is nothing the director can do to prevent them going to air
Quote:

3. Either Graphics & music are not linked (maybe there's a button to trigger each of them) - or the sound fader was down (luckily)

The music is off a minidisc which is fired by the titles. It is on a separate fader on the sound desk
Quote:

Can anyone confirm any of those thoughts?

I assume if the source *is* live all the time and is providing the DOG then it could become a bit of a liability if it restarts itself or is too easily triggered!


Yes it could
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A former member
14.00GMT 10/12 - Big pause after last headline... eventually in came a generic version of the title sequence.
MB
Media Boy
Marcus posted:
drew posted:
At 18:00 GMT, the BBC World intro graphics kicked in again during the first story (about 10" after the DOG completed its reveal sequence)

As it happened the DOG disappeared - also, the same 3D headline showed again (MOSCOW BOMB) - and stayed on screen for it's whole duration (until "BBC NEWS.. BBC WORLD").. then smoothly faded back to presenter (who had carried on through it.. thankfully!) The DOG then did its reveal sequence again.

So:
1. Either someone hit the button, rather than it just firing itself and putting itself to air - or there's a fault which allowed it to do just that

It's a fault
Quote:

2. Since it replaced the presenter image and smoothly faded back to him - does this mean the logo doesn't have to be opened as a source - it just overrides everything else? If not.. someone faded it up and triggered it - seems unlikely (if it was just the wrong source faded up then why wasn't it static?) I'm guessing that source actually stays faded up - and that the DOG reveal sequences is on the end of it.

The titles are generated downstream of the vision mixer, so if they decide to fire off there is nothing the director can do to prevent them going to air
Quote:

3. Either Graphics & music are not linked (maybe there's a button to trigger each of them) - or the sound fader was down (luckily)

The music is off a minidisc which is fired by the titles. It is on a separate fader on the sound desk
Quote:

Can anyone confirm any of those thoughts?

I assume if the source *is* live all the time and is providing the DOG then it could become a bit of a liability if it restarts itself or is too easily triggered!


Yes it could


Not quite True Marcus - there is an override to kill the keyer - allowing the director to cut back to the action!

Also the minidisc remote is not working yet - the title music and breaking news splash sound comed direct from the PC.
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A former member
19:30 GMT - An old ident just went out (into Hardtalk) - I'm assuming that's not supposed to happen and I'm surprised that they still have them on the system!
IT
itsrobert Founding member
drew posted:
19:30 GMT - An old ident just went out (into Hardtalk) - I'm assuming that's not supposed to happen and I'm surprised that they still have them on the system!


I've seen the "old" old titles (2000 ones) go out on World since they were ditched, and I saw the old Breakfast closing titles on News 24 a few months ago!
DJ
David Jonathan
drew posted:
19:30 GMT - An old ident just went out (into Hardtalk) - I'm assuming that's not supposed to happen and I'm surprised that they still have them on the system!


I also noted this. The into-commercial-break animation was also the old one during 1900 news but the return-from-commercial-break animation was the new one. Also the sound quality was really bad here in Germany. Maybe somewhere else in the world it was better.
MO
Moz
Why are World having more problems than N24?
MD
MarkDC
I think World is having too many problems with the new graphics package. Too complicated if you ask me. Constantly adding the main headline into the titles seems like extra work to me.

The headline vamp is too weak along with the thunderclaps. If youve seen the business sting, thats the only thing I really like.
MA
Marcus Founding member
Moz posted:
Why are World having more problems than N24?


Well they had seven weeks to put it into News24 and did eight pilots pilots.

They put it into World overnight on Monday morning and did 1 half hour pilot.

So I guess the directors are learning as they go
MA
Marcus Founding member
Media Boy posted:
Marcus posted:
drew posted:
At 18:00 GMT, the BBC World intro graphics kicked in again during the first story (about 10" after the DOG completed its reveal sequence)

As it happened the DOG disappeared - also, the same 3D headline showed again (MOSCOW BOMB) - and stayed on screen for it's whole duration (until "BBC NEWS.. BBC WORLD").. then smoothly faded back to presenter (who had carried on through it.. thankfully!) The DOG then did its reveal sequence again.

So:
1. Either someone hit the button, rather than it just firing itself and putting itself to air - or there's a fault which allowed it to do just that

It's a fault
Quote:

2. Since it replaced the presenter image and smoothly faded back to him - does this mean the logo doesn't have to be opened as a source - it just overrides everything else? If not.. someone faded it up and triggered it - seems unlikely (if it was just the wrong source faded up then why wasn't it static?) I'm guessing that source actually stays faded up - and that the DOG reveal sequences is on the end of it.

The titles are generated downstream of the vision mixer, so if they decide to fire off there is nothing the director can do to prevent them going to air
Quote:

3. Either Graphics & music are not linked (maybe there's a button to trigger each of them) - or the sound fader was down (luckily)

The music is off a minidisc which is fired by the titles. It is on a separate fader on the sound desk
Quote:

Can anyone confirm any of those thoughts?

I assume if the source *is* live all the time and is providing the DOG then it could become a bit of a liability if it restarts itself or is too easily triggered!


Yes it could


Not quite True Marcus - there is an override to kill the keyer - allowing the director to cut back to the action!

.


Not quite true Media Boy. We are talking about World where the override button has not yet been connected.

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