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BBC West to opt from Grandstand

... to show Gloucester v Bristol (January 2005)

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SP
Steve in Pudsey
Why is it so difficult to take the masking box out of circuit and show it as 4:3 CCU?

Or then again why so difficult for the OB to have been told to make it 14:9 safe
UB
Uncle Bruce
Because if they can show it 'widescreen' they will.

I saw part of the coverage on a TV when I was at Kingsholm - looked pretty 4:3 safe to me there. Are you talking about when it's zoomed on cable/dsat?
SP
Steve in Pudsey
I was given to understand that it was 4:3 safe but when the bars were added top and bottom for the "fake" 14:9 effect the score graphic was decapitated
UB
Uncle Bruce
Steve in Pudsey posted:
I was given to understand that it was 4:3 safe but when the bars were added top and bottom for the "fake" 14:9 effect the score graphic was decapitated


It wasn't on the TV set I saw - and that was an off-air feed.

Whoever saw it must have seen it in zoom-o-vision on Dsat, which frankly butchers the picture.
IS
Inspector Sands
Uncle Bruce posted:

Inspector - you were basically saying to Nick that the transmission chain could not cope with 16:9 - which is utter rubbish. The programmes that go out on Dsat, for example, come out of Bristol 24 hours - so they can opt out when they like. When Points West isn't on-air, the shows come to Bristol from London, go through comms and then out to the transmitters - ie, Mendip, Freeview and Dsat. When they do that, they are in 16:9. So - there's no problem with the 'tranmission chain' per say.


I never said there was, I even specificaly mentioned that network programmes were in the right format. I made a specific distinction between where the programmes were originating and what format they are

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They problem is solely the PW gallery, which is 4:3. They've got it set up to output 14:9, so the opts all go out in that format. When the gallery is upgraded, it'll be 16:9. No upgrades will be needed to the gallery, and all they'll do is pull out one silver box that does the ARCing.


Again that's basically what I said too..... it's the output of the regional centre that isn't widescreen capable

Seems we're agreeing with each other
UB
Uncle Bruce
Ugh, I can't be arsed to argue to be honest.
MR
mromega
This is what was seen on DSAT

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/mromega/bbcwest.jpg
UB
Uncle Bruce
It definately didn't do that on analogue.
NH
Nick Harvey Founding member
Final try at this, then I'm giving up.

The point I was making was that if Bristol and Plymouth had "tricked" their transmission chains into thinking the rugby feed was a network feed and then opted OUT, then digital viewers would have got a correct 16:9 picture.

This could have been achieved by some careful shifting of a few u-links, or whatever the modern equivalent is, in the comms areas in Bristol and Plymouth to over-plug the scanner truck feed onto the incoming network feed.
SP
Steve in Pudsey
changing a few U links is hardly a soft-opt though Wink
TV
tvmercia Founding member
Steve in Pudsey posted:
changing a few U links is hardly a soft-opt though Wink
perhaps they could have patched bbc west (and i presume south west) to take "network" feed from bbc midlands late night on friday, or very early saturday morning? then patch it back to london as network feed early sunday morning?
IS
Inspector Sands
Nick Harvey posted:
Final try at this, then I'm giving up.

The point I was making was that if Bristol and Plymouth had "tricked" their transmission chains into thinking the rugby feed was a network feed and then opted OUT, then digital viewers would have got a correct 16:9 picture.

This could have been achieved by some careful shifting of a few u-links, or whatever the modern equivalent is, in the comms areas in Bristol and Plymouth to over-plug the scanner truck feed onto the incoming network feed.


Yes of course that is an option.... anything is possible if someone fancies re-wiring and reconfiguring everything!

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