I can confirm it's 16:9 on West Midlands, 14:9 on West & South West (including Channel Islands opt0.
The late West Midlands opt was on analogue (or freeview - don't have access) - satellite was opted out while analogue was still showing the network briefly.
West's David Passmore is indeed presenting from the ground with some very poor camera framing at half-time failing to allow for arcing and neatly removing the top of his head on West satellite.
I can confirm it's 16:9 on West Midlands, 14:9 on West & South West (including Channel Islands opt0.
The late West Midlands opt was on analogue (or freeview - don't have access) - satellite was opted out while analogue was still showing the network briefly.
(from memory) they cut to west pictures and then cross-faded from network audio to west audio means midlands opted and then seemingly tried to hide the fact they'd missed the begining. that was what i saw on DTT anyway.
It's being originated in 16:9, as it's okay if you watch West Midlands from Birmingham.
Why the hell didn't Bristol and Plymouth take a feed from Birmingham straight through, without messing about with it, in the same way as they would if London had completely failed and Birmingham was providing the standby network feed?
Because as mentioned in an earlier post, Bristol and Plymouth's transmission chains do not currently support 16:9 for Digital. They both have fully 4:3 kit, the final output of which is cropped top and bottom and zoomed up slightly so that the finished product is 14:9. This same picture is distributed to both analogue and digital transmission systems. So regardless of whether the incming feed to West and South-West was direct from the scanner or from Birmingham - the output in both regions will have been 14:9. Until the Mailbox opened, the same situation existed at Pebble Mill for regional transmissions too.
And Birmingham isn't the standby network feed anymore either.
Because as mentioned in an earlier post, Bristol and Plymouth's transmission chains do not currently support 16:9 for Digital. They both have fully 4:3 kit, the final output of which is cropped top and bottom and zoomed up slightly so that the finished product is 14:9. This same picture is distributed to both analogue and digital transmission systems. So regardless of whether the incming feed to West and South-West was direct from the scanner or from Birmingham - the output in both regions will have been 14:9. Until the Mailbox opened, the same situation existed at Pebble Mill for regional transmissions too.
NO.
TOTALLY, COMPLETELY and ABSOLUTELY WRONG.
When they are opted OUT, both Bristol and Plymouth pass 16:9 programmes straight through and the digital viewers in their regions see a perfectly correct 16:9 picture on both the Sky and Freeview digital platforms.
How the heck else do we see all the network programmes on digital platforms in their regions in the correct ratio?
I repeat that what they should have done today was to opt OUT and allow the correctly shaped 16:9 pictures, which were being originated by the scanner, pass through unadulterated.
When they are opted OUT, both Bristol and Plymouth pass 16:9 programmes straight through and the digital viewers in their regions see a perfectly correct 16:9 picture on both the Sky and Freeview digital platforms.
How the heck else do we see all the network programmes on digital platforms in their regions in the correct ratio?
I repeat that what they should have done today was to opt OUT and allow the correctly shaped 16:9 pictures, which were being originated by the scanner, pass through unadulterated.
No, you're wrong
Bristol and Plymouth pass NETWORK programmes through 16:9 on the digital services. The Rugby match today wasn't coming from London and therefore wasn't a network programe, it was an opt-out. When they opt out the picture is treated the same as it would be for the regional news programme (which originates in 4:3).
The 4:3 regional centres are setup up to broadcast programmes on digital as 4:3 ARCed to 14:9 pillaox and on analogue as a 4:3 picture with 'fake' 14:9 letterbox bars. It's not something that is changed on an ad-hoc basis
didn’t bbc north east and cumbria manage to play a repeat of auf wiedersehen in 16:9 widescreen in a opt out from network - even though their gallery is still 4:3?
didn’t bbc north east and cumbria manage to play a repeat of auf wiedersehen in 16:9 widescreen in a opt out from network - even though their gallery is still 4:3?
I very much doubt it. When a region time-shifts programmes they appear in the same ratio that the local news appears in - no matter how wrong that is
didn’t bbc north east and cumbria manage to play a repeat of auf wiedersehen in 16:9 widescreen in a opt out from network - even though their gallery is still 4:3?
I very much doubt it. When a region time-shifts programmes they appear in the same ratio that the local news appears in - no matter how wrong that is
i seem to recall it was somehow done from london, so as to avoid running it through the 4:3 gallery in newcastle
When they are opted OUT, both Bristol and Plymouth pass 16:9 programmes straight through and the digital viewers in their regions see a perfectly correct 16:9 picture on both the Sky and Freeview digital platforms.
How the heck else do we see all the network programmes on digital platforms in their regions in the correct ratio?
I repeat that what they should have done today was to opt OUT and allow the correctly shaped 16:9 pictures, which were being originated by the scanner, pass through unadulterated.
No, you're wrong
Bristol and Plymouth pass NETWORK programmes through 16:9 on the digital services. The Rugby match today wasn't coming from London and therefore wasn't a network programe, it was an opt-out. When they opt out the picture is treated the same as it would be for the regional news programme (which originates in 4:3).
The 4:3 regional centres are setup up to broadcast programmes on digital as 4:3 ARCed to 14:9 pillaox and on analogue as a 4:3 picture with 'fake' 14:9 letterbox bars. It's not something that is changed on an ad-hoc basis
Ugh, children children.
Inspector - you were basically saying to Nick that the transmission chain could not cope with 16:9 - which is utter rubbish. The programmes that go out on Dsat, for example, come out of Bristol 24 hours - so they can opt out when they like. When Points West isn't on-air, the shows come to Bristol from London, go through comms and then out to the transmitters - ie, Mendip, Freeview and Dsat. When they do that, they are in 16:9. So - there's no problem with the 'tranmission chain' per say.
They problem is solely the PW gallery, which is 4:3. They've got it set up to output 14:9, so the opts all go out in that format. When the gallery is upgraded, it'll be 16:9. No upgrades will be needed to the gallery, and all they'll do is pull out one silver box that does the ARCing.
Basically what Deejay said here:
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Because as mentioned in an earlier post, Bristol and Plymouth's transmission chains do not currently support 16:9 for Digital.
Is what Nick pointed out what wrong - it isn't the transmission chain that is the problem, it's the gallery. Trust me. If it were the transmission chain, everything that came out of Bristol, including network programmes, would be 14:9.
