TV Home Forum

BBC Two Yellow/Personality 2s in retrospect

(November 2019)

VM
VMPhil Granada North West Today
I didn't really appreciate these idents at the time, as the concept seemed to tire quickly and they didn't seem a patch on the 1991-2001 original 2s. But recently I've been watching through them again and admire how good some of them still look, such as 'Bounce':



'Invisible Walls':



My favourite of the more humorous ones, 'Drip':



Perhaps one downside of them was that they were a bit too jaunty in comparison with the previous set, which led to the introduction of 'Bounce Sombre' with a more appropriate soundtrack.

What does everyone else think of these now that's it been so long since they were on air? Still disappointing or gone up in your estimation?
JO
Josh
This video of BBC Two Northern Ireland was quite good with the menu merging into the ident - nothing like this happened on Network I do believe. The legacy continues even to this day.
Fan of the media industry from the UK.
paul_hadley, Quatorzine Neko and denton gave kudos
VM
VMPhil Granada North West Today
I was originally going to post that NI example, but thought it better to just post a clip of the ident itself. I agree though, lovely transition from menu to ident and shame it wasn’t used regularly.
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member Central (West) Midlands Today
Pity they decided to mash them, such as in this example:


Nice ident (and it was nice first time round too!), shame about the soundtrack. IMO.
VM
VMPhil Granada North West Today
Damn you, Neil, I’d blocked that out of my memory! Very Happy

The Christmas idents during this era were very nice though.

RW
Robert Williams Founding member London London
I still rate these as the least good of all of BBC2's ident sets. At the time much of my dislike was a simply a reaction against them replacing what were patently far superior idents - it seemed like change for the sake of change (though little did we know those old idents would eventually come back!) This would be repeated to even greater effect on BBC1 a few months later.

Taking them in isolation, the main problem I have with them is the same that I have with 'jokey' idents in general - it was funny seeing the domino 2 fall the wrong way the first couple of times, but what about after five years of repeated viewings? By then the joke had long since worn thin. (I have the same issue with the current Channel 4 idents). I think Invisible Walls is by far the best of this set, probably because it's the least jokey of the lot.

The way they had to retrofit Bounce with a more downbeat soundtrack just seemed ham-fisted to me - why did they seemingly forget to include a more appropriate serious ident in the first place?

Then there is the issue that they're simply too yellow, with not enough variety between them.

However what replaced them I think, in retrospective, wasn't that much of an improvement - more variety, but went too far in the other direction by replacing overly jokey idents with idents that were just a bit dull instead.
RW
Robert Williams Founding member London London
Damn you, Neil, I’d blocked that out of my memory! Very Happy

The Christmas idents during this era were very nice though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYl3XvdRrb0


Oh yes, I forgot, the 2005/06 Christmas ident was way superior to anything else in the 2001-07 period. By the later part of these era they were beginning to abandon the personality theme altogether for special idents, and were already bringing back idents from the previous era such as Predator and the 2000 Christmas ident for the Winter Olympics.

(Just realised that's one of my own uploads!)
VM
VMPhil Granada North West Today
Robert, you sum up very well my feelings towards these idents too. It’s just that it’s been so long since I’ve seen them, that they felt fresh again, and I’d forgotten just how repetitive they felt after only a few years on air. Whereas, I never got tired of seeing ‘Silk’ introduce Newsnight until last year.

‘Invisible Walls’ is also one of the few of this set where the ‘2’ isn’t really a character (like in ‘Bounce’ or ‘Drum’) - and those seem to work better, ironic as the whole concept of this package was to turn the ‘2’ into a character (hence ‘Personality 2s’).
VM
VMPhil Granada North West Today
Something that occured to me: do we know if any of the idents from this era are models rather than CGI? I'm thinking 'Bounce' in particular.
DE
deejay Oxford
For me it was the very limited colour palette that made this set so uninspired. The character of the Two still came across quite well but it was just so plain being yellow all the time. The original Lambie Nairn set had a limited colour palette too but still allowed great scope for creativity.
Two minutes regions...
ToasterMan and VMPhil gave kudos
BR
Brekkie Wales Wales Today
It was a good way though to keep the 2 in a more restricted environment. No doubt they weren't as good as what they replaced but only the curves and perhaps the circles really better them when it comes to BBC ident sets of the 21st century.
Turns out nobody had 2020 vision.
CH
chris Granada North West Today
What I liked about this era was the strong music motif. That seems to have been lost in recent idents (looking at you Oneness!)

Newer posts