Wasn't the 1991 logo generated separately from the ident for some reason?
Indeed the BBC logo was generated at source, so Television Centre for the bulk of us, the Wales/Scotland/Northern Ireland legends being generated locally. As for English regions I'm not certain, but in the past online all of the 1991 2's have been uploaded without the BBC logo underneath, and from memory I do remember seeing the BBC1 globe of that era without the BBC logo on it a couple of times.
Wonder if a clock will ever appear, or is that asking too much!
Seeing as it is BBC Two, probably.
I doubt it. During most of the eighties onwards the BBC Two clock was only used at closedown and on those rare occasions the Six O'Clock News moved from BBC One due to tennis.
And it's not like there's any news on BBC 2 in the afternoons any more that they coukd introduce with it.
Wonder if a clock will ever appear, or is that asking too much!
Seeing as it is BBC Two, probably.
I doubt it. During most of the eighties onwards the BBC Two clock was only used at closedown and on those rare occasions the Six O'Clock News moved from BBC One due to tennis.
And it's not like there's any news on BBC 2 in the afternoons any more that they coukd introduce with it.
When I said "probably" I said it about it being too much to ask for.
I guess a closedown announcement for the Afternoon Classics strand could be contrived... "That's all from Afternoon Classics on BBC-2, we now return you to the 21st Century"
Wasn't the 1991 logo generated separately from the ident for some reason?
Indeed the BBC logo was generated at source, so Television Centre for the bulk of us, the Wales/Scotland/Northern Ireland legends being generated locally. As for English regions I'm not certain, but in the past online all of the 1991 2's have been uploaded without the BBC logo underneath, and from memory I do remember seeing the BBC1 globe of that era without the BBC logo on it a couple of times.
There an example here where the globe is briefly cut away from and you get the "BBC" logo on it's own against a black background.
If I remember correctly the idents of the 90s era were all recorded on Laserdiscs and cued as required by the network (and pretty quickly they'd cue too). In NC1 and 2, they were all clean of the BBC logo, so that a BBC or a BBC South East logo could be called up on any of the backgrounds. Now of course BBC 1 only really had one Symbol (albeit one that lasted a fair few minutes) but BBC 2 had a lot more options. Things got a lot more complex when the Balloons came in. The laserdics remained in service for the analogue networks but because there were a lot more Balloons, they were split over 2 laserdics. It became the network engineer's job to change the dsics if the director wanted a symbol on the other disc!
In English Regions, there was a system known as VERA. The same clean backgrounds for the BBC 1 Symbol and selected BBC 2 idents were loaded onto VERA and there was a panel in the gallery where you could select which one you wanted and it would add the regional logo on the output to the vision mixer. ISTR it would run 'instantly' when it got an on-air tally from the vision mixer (which is why a lot of regional junctions start with a momentarily static ident!).
Back to NC1 and 2, in the 90s, clocks were generated from a separate piece of hardware known as GNAT (Generator of Network Analogue Time). This kit had been in service since the 'juddery' real clocks were phased out.
When the integrated 1, 6 and 9 o'clock news sequences were introduced, English Regions were required to play a clock instead of a symbol. The regions never were equipped with GNAT (except perhaps Pebble Mill ? For evacuation purposes?) so were supplied with clocks on tape.
Just as an aside, Carlton's idents originallly came off two professional Sony laser disk machines (as I recall they had one recorder/player and one player). Not the most reliable piece of kit.
The BBC used laserdiscs until well into the 2000s: BBC World and BBC Prime had some of the very last recordable stock available for their rebrands around 2000.
