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CH
chris
Sascha posted:
tvarksouthwest posted:
The BBC is pushing for a higher licence fee yet a number of viewers feel the fee is too high already. Whenever there is a rebrand of either BBC1 or BBC2, the cost always seems to be substantially more than last time round and the branding package is used for increasingly shorter periods.


See my signature.

The BBC is awash with cash. Even more so now that they've given 2,000 people the sack. Their top suits have just awarded themselves an inflation hammering pay rise and they're continuing the very expensive transition of BBC radio stations 'oop north'.

Don't think for a moment that the BBC is strapped for cash!

If the new idents on BBC Two end up costing £1.5m, then that's less than half of the cash that BBC One p*sses away every day !


What's she doing back?

YOU'RE OBSESSED!!!
SA
Sascha
chris posted:
Sascha posted:
tvarksouthwest posted:
The BBC is pushing for a higher licence fee yet a number of viewers feel the fee is too high already. Whenever there is a rebrand of either BBC1 or BBC2, the cost always seems to be substantially more than last time round and the branding package is used for increasingly shorter periods.


See my signature.

The BBC is awash with cash. Even more so now that they've given 2,000 people the sack. Their top suits have just awarded themselves an inflation hammering pay rise and they're continuing the very expensive transition of BBC radio stations 'oop north'.

Don't think for a moment that the BBC is strapped for cash!

If the new idents on BBC Two end up costing £1.5m, then that's less than half of the cash that BBC One p*sses away every day !


What's she doing back?

YOU'RE OBSESSED!!!


And you're an anorak, but I don't bang on about it!

FYI: I'm not female.
CH
chris
Sascha posted:
chris posted:
Sascha posted:
tvarksouthwest posted:
The BBC is pushing for a higher licence fee yet a number of viewers feel the fee is too high already. Whenever there is a rebrand of either BBC1 or BBC2, the cost always seems to be substantially more than last time round and the branding package is used for increasingly shorter periods.


See my signature.

The BBC is awash with cash. Even more so now that they've given 2,000 people the sack. Their top suits have just awarded themselves an inflation hammering pay rise and they're continuing the very expensive transition of BBC radio stations 'oop north'.

Don't think for a moment that the BBC is strapped for cash!

If the new idents on BBC Two end up costing £1.5m, then that's less than half of the cash that BBC One p*sses away every day !


What's she doing back?

YOU'RE OBSESSED!!!


And you're an anorak, but I don't bang on about it!

FYI: I'm not female.


I don't want to start an argument, but you do bang on about money a lot!
PE
Pete Founding member
Sascha posted:
And you're an anorak, but I don't bang on about it!


you bang on about the licence fee. every one of your posts has been about it

13 days later

PC
Paul Clark
Didn't feel this was worth a new thread, so posted it in here, being the closest to a general BBC TWO topic...!

Nice little anno by Duncan earlier, before Carry On Cleo - 17" ; MP3
CY
cylon6
Paul Clark posted:
Didn't feel this was worth a new thread, so posted it in here, being the closest to a general BBC TWO topic...!

Nice little anno by Duncan earlier, before Carry On Cleo - 17" ; MP3


I have to say that a couple of the BBC announcers are very good as they try to do something a bit different. I think his name is Phil Vowells?
R2
r2ro
cylon6 posted:
Paul Clark posted:
Didn't feel this was worth a new thread, so posted it in here, being the closest to a general BBC TWO topic...!

Nice little anno by Duncan earlier, before Carry On Cleo - 17" ; MP3


I have to say that a couple of the BBC announcers are very good as they try to do something a bit different. I think his name is Phil Vowells?


The announcer on that clip was Duncan Newmarch and a delightful anno it was too.
I find that the best announcers are Dean Lydiate, Becky Wright, Phil Vowels and Duncan Newmarch as they offer more 'life' into the anno whereas others tend to be more dull, not to mention that we tend to get longer playouts with them despite it being the director's decision.
What happened to Stephanie Sabine? I haven't heard her for ages (thank goodness!)
:-(
A former member
r2ro posted:
What happened to Stephanie Sabine? I haven't heard her for ages (thank goodness!)


Left hopefully.
PC
Paul Clark
r2ro posted:
I find that the best announcers are Dean Lydiate, Becky Wright, Phil Vowels and Duncan Newmarch as they offer more 'life' into the anno whereas others tend to be more dull, not to mention that we tend to get longer playouts with them despite it being the director's decision.


This business about the "Director's decision"; does this mean that there is no flexibility in the length whatsoever (Director makes decision, announcer's script must stick to length), or does it mean that the announcer can script a junction, and only if that gets the go-ahead then the length will change accordingly?
AJ
A.J.A.
Paul Clark posted:

This business about the "Director's decision"; does this mean that there is no flexibility in the length whatsoever (Director makes decision, announcer's script must stick to length), or does it mean that the announcer can script a junction, and only if that gets the go-ahead then the length will change accordingly?


Well, let's take BBC ONE between 6 and 10pm. Whatever happens, you want to hit the Ten O'Clock News at 2200.00 with a ten second symbol to allow the English regions to do their thang (us nations just go with the flow really).

So you've the evening's programmes on server with their defined durations (we'll assume the only live programmes are the News), then you've the scheduled trails, then the symbols - normally allotted around 12-15” but these invariably become the elastic so that the schedule remains on time between 7 and 10.

Say the Six O'Clock News over or under-runs, or the 1855 national news headlines in England (even worse in the nations cos you might be joining network for a programme at 1900!), tweaks will need to be made to the schedule and pretty much the first thing to be tweaked (if it's a matter of a few seconds) is symbol length. You don't really want to be going to a programme earlier than 1 minute before its TX time or more than 4 minutes after - plus you're watching to make sure you're meeting agreed "clock" times - such as the Ten at 2200.00.

So really, while an announcer will work to the time allotted for the symbol and I've heard London directors changing the length of the symbol to accommodate where possible, sometimes circumstances arise which are outside of their control... and then out comes the red pen and some glorious intro into Pets Rescue other Animals in Deep Water is confined to the waste paper bin!
R2
r2ro
A.J.A. posted:
Paul Clark posted:

This business about the "Director's decision"; does this mean that there is no flexibility in the length whatsoever (Director makes decision, announcer's script must stick to length), or does it mean that the announcer can script a junction, and only if that gets the go-ahead then the length will change accordingly?


Well, let's take BBC ONE between 6 and 10pm. Whatever happens, you want to hit the Ten O'Clock News at 2200.00 with a ten second symbol to allow the English regions to do their thang (us nations just go with the flow really).

So you've the evening's programmes on server with their defined durations (we'll assume the only live programmes are the News), then you've the scheduled trails, then the symbols - normally allotted around 12-15” but these invariably become the elastic so that the schedule remains on time between 7 and 10.

Say the Six O'Clock News over or under-runs, or the 1855 national news headlines in England (even worse in the nations cos you might be joining network for a programme at 1900!), tweaks will need to be made to the schedule and pretty much the first thing to be tweaked (if it's a matter of a few seconds) is symbol length. You don't really want to be going to a programme earlier than 1 minute before its TX time or more than 4 minutes after - plus you're watching to make sure you're meeting agreed "clock" times - such as the Ten at 2200.00.

So really, while an announcer will work to the time allotted for the symbol and I've heard London directors changing the length of the symbol to accommodate where possible, sometimes circumstances arise which are outside of their control... and then out comes the red pen and some glorious intro into Pets Rescue other Animals in Deep Water is confined to the waste paper bin!


That makes sense and explains why some announcers usually have longer junctions because they script a good anno and the symbol, if possible, is made to match. It also explains why sometimes the ident or annos are unusually short, or why sometimes the announcement seems to drag on (to fill time).
I personally prefer the longer playouts as normally there is quite a good anno to accompany it, though saying that sometimes I have heard announcers babble on long playouts.
DA
davidmcg
This is very off-topic. I KNOW but why now are Channel F.O.U.R. putting 4 in front of everything like 4 Creative, Music, Games soon it will be:


4 Drunks
4 Sad people who watch 24/7 Big Brother
4 Mentaly unstable people


Stop it it drives me MAD

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