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Larry the Loafer
Maaixuew posted:
The BBC did speak to Lambie-Nairn, which is effectively a different company from the one which produced the idents. Martin Lambie-Nairn is no longer associated with the company; and the materials they have are the best ones available from their archive. All this activity comes at a cost (including reversioning for Scotland, Wales, NI; uploading into playout systems etc) and in the light of this the BBC needed the most efficient plan they could deliver at the lowest possible cost – which is why they have only 6 idents on air.


How do NI afford more of them then? I can only presume their budget is a lot smaller.
JO
Jonny
Maaixuew posted:
The BBC did speak to Lambie-Nairn, which is effectively a different company from the one which produced the idents. Martin Lambie-Nairn is no longer associated with the company; and the materials they have are the best ones available from their archive. All this activity comes at a cost (including reversioning for Scotland, Wales, NI; uploading into playout systems etc) and in the light of this the BBC needed the most efficient plan they could deliver at the lowest possible cost – which is why they have only 6 idents on air.

Do you work for the BBC (or connected in some way?) or are you speculating?


Also, as I pointed out earlier, there are 9 idents in use in England, not 6.
JU
jumpinjack
This has been discussed again and again. The upshot is this:

BBC Marketing control what goes out on Network. They wanted BBC2 idents where the 2 did something as opposed to having things done to it...(Paint etc.)

Each ident had to be up scaled frame by frame to HD, that costs money and they spent what they wanted on the idents they wanted.

BBC NI is not HD does not have that problem.

Simple.
VM
VMPhil
jumpinjack posted:
This has been discussed again and again. The upshot is this:

BBC Marketing control what goes out on Network. They wanted BBC2 idents where the 2 did something as opposed to having things done to it...(Paint etc.)

Each ident had to be up scaled frame by frame to HD, that costs money and they spent what they wanted on the idents they wanted.

BBC NI is not HD does not have that problem.

Simple.

Upscaled frame by frame? Prove me wrong but I don't think upscaling is that complicated. It's simple enough for HD set top boxes to do it with SD channels. Unless you meant rescanning the original film stock at HD resolution, which as far as I can tell is not what they've done. The BBC and most commercial channels don't broadcast their surrounding presentation (idents, trailers, adverts) in HD anyway.
NG
noggin Founding member
jumpinjack posted:

Each ident had to be up scaled frame by frame to HD, that costs money and they spent what they wanted on the idents they wanted.

Not sure I understand what you are saying. All upscaling is frame-by-frame... You can do a high quality up-scale using an Alchemist or a Quasar, or a good quality up-scale using an up converter, or a poor quality one inside an NLE (unless you have a decent plug-in)
JU
jumpinjack
Sorry I didn't ask how up scaling was done or was about to offer the BBC to do it Rolling Eyes At the end of the day people need accept what is on air. Network only run what the BBC ask them to. NI are different in that they are still part of the BBC. The reasons why more idents are not on air from Network are what you have just been told.....sadly talking about it more and more will not make any more appear!
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IS
Inspector Sands
Maaixuew posted:
The BBC did speak to Lambie-Nairn, which is effectively a different company from the one which produced the idents. Martin Lambie-Nairn is no longer associated with the company; and the materials they have are the best ones available from their archive. All this activity comes at a cost (including reversioning for Scotland, Wales, NI; uploading into playout systems etc) and in the light of this the BBC needed the most efficient plan they could deliver at the lowest possible cost – which is why they have only 6 idents on air.

'uploading to playout systems' shouldn't be a cost factor. They're loading hours of material onto their servers every day, a few idents are nothing
IS
Inspector Sands
VMPhil posted:

Upscaled frame by frame? Prove me wrong but I don't think upscaling is that complicated. It's simple enough for HD set top boxes to do it with SD channels. Unless you meant rescanning the original film stock at HD resolution, which as far as I can tell is not what they've done.

Its unlikely there's any film involved at all. The best they'd be able to get are the original master copy or, if it was animated, the original files for that.

Though I'm sure that copies of the originals will exist at the BBC somewhere, not sure about this 'going back to Lambie Nairn' business
DE
denton
Larry the Loafer posted:

How do NI afford more of them then?


It's affordable because no one in NI needs to make a profit.
One person decided which of the idents they would use, that person edited (using BBC owned facilities) the idents to put the graphics on and to make Balloon in to 16:9, and then that same person loaded them all to the playout servers for broadcast.

In London... Marketing would have requested Red Bee to edit and deliver the idents. There would be someone in charge of delivering the project, someone else producing / directing it, someone else (in a facilities house) editing the visuals, then someone in a sound dub to make the stereo and 5.1 versions, and then someone else to put the finished versions on playout server. That outsourced model costs an awful lot more.
LL
Larry the Loafer
Well I learnt something today.
IN
Interceptor
denton posted:
Larry the Loafer posted:

How do NI afford more of them then?


It's affordable because no one in NI needs to make a profit.
One person decided which of the idents they would use, that person edited (using BBC owned facilities) the idents to put the graphics on and to make Balloon in to 16:9, and then that same person loaded them all to the playout servers for broadcast.

In London... Marketing would have requested Red Bee to edit and deliver the idents. There would be someone in charge of delivering the project, someone else producing / directing it, someone else (in a facilities house) editing the visuals, then someone in a sound dub to make the stereo and 5.1 versions, and then someone else to put the finished versions on playout server. That outsourced model costs an awful lot more.

Good job, that person.

Is there a political reason why Marketing couldn't instruct Red Bee to obtain copies from NI?
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