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Just going back to the Artnight idents, how many is there? I have a feeling it may be four?
DJ
DJGM

BBC2’s live European Athletics Championships coverage began with a temporary fault, due to a power cut at the stadium.


This is what Network showed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnpOPZ4R6eA


Did BBC Two have electricians ready in Belgrade when they were "trying to correct the fault" ... ?!?
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MM
MMcG198
BBC2’s live European Athletics Championships coverage began with a temporary fault, due to a power cut at the stadium.


Announcers take note: you do not "try" or "hope" to return to a programme as soon as possible. You "will" return to the programme as soon as possible.
DO
dosxuk
BBC2’s live European Athletics Championships coverage began with a temporary fault, due to a power cut at the stadium.


Announcers take note: you do not "try" or "hope" to return to a programme as soon as possible. You "will" return to the programme as soon as possible.


Except when you can't.
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MM
MMcG198
Except when you can't.


That eventuality is already covered by the statement "We will return to the programme as soon as possible" - in that it may not be possible to return to the programme.
DO
dosxuk
Except when you can't.


That eventuality is already covered by the statement "We will return to the programme as soon as possible" - in that it may not be possible to return to the programme.


While implying that you definitely will be returning to the programme.
MM
MMcG198
Except when you can't.


That eventuality is already covered by the statement "We will return to the programme as soon as possible" - in that it may not be possible to return to the programme.


While implying that you definitely will be returning to the programme.


OK - good luck finding an official source which equates the phrase "will return to...as soon as possible" with "definitely".

I think you're missing the point. The phrase "as soon as possible" covers both scenarios - i.e., that you may or may not be able to return to the programme, depending on whether or not the impediment can be removed.

It is not correct to say that you "hope" to return to something as soon as possible.
DP
D.Page

Are you seriously including BBC Northern Ireland in that statement?

NI certainly seem to care more, but their execution often isn't quite right. I'm not sure what good it does for the brand if they tweak things how they think they should be done (i.e. the logo on the idents) - it certainly doesn't help the channel's already quite significant image and consistency problems.


BBC NI have to do what they can with what they are given by network.



The idents Northern Ireland uses have not been given by Network, they are derived from clean idents they have on-site, with their centralized logo added in-house.

It may look inconsistant but that's only because network is and I disagree they are making it worse. They have made it less boring by increasing the number of idents for a start.


Northern Ireland, by using their own centralized logo, does create an inconsistency as their output is partially Network-fed. However, I'm grateful and throughly glad they do, as their logo design is head and shoulders better than Network/the other Nations.

Now, to the points you make which I agree with. They're certainly not making it worse. It's Network that are making it worse by insisting on using a hideous teal boxed logo which doesn't work with the '90s idents.

I'm sure Network knows the centralized boxless logo NI have adopted works better but are too up their own a*ses to scrap the boxed logo and go with an idea from elsewhere in the BBC.

The fact that NI are using one short of their entire set of regular '90s idents show that they care about their pres. That is what I call really going out of your way to add variety to the pres. Only Water Reflection remains elusive (for the moment). NI never aired Crystal Ball or Car Edit 2 back-in-the-day, so one cannot reasonably expect them to find a way to acquire clean copies in order to create and subsequently air NI logo versions.
DO
dosxuk

That eventuality is already covered by the statement "We will return to the programme as soon as possible" - in that it may not be possible to return to the programme.


While implying that you definitely will be returning to the programme.


OK - good luck finding an official source which equates the phrase "will return to...as soon as possible" with "definitely".

I think you're missing the point. The phrase "as soon as possible" covers both scenarios - i.e., that you may or may not be able to return to the programme, depending on whether or not the impediment can be removed.

It is not correct to say that you "hope" to return to something as soon as possible.


If you're being pedantic about it, yes, you're correct, but its still a bad choice of words. "Hope" and "try" both better describe what it going on.

If Amazon say 'your parcel will be delivered as soon as possible' you'll be unimpressed if they actually know it's out of stock and don't know if they'll be able to get it back in again or not. If your bank says 'we'll process your wages as soon as possible', you'll be annoyed if they never appear because of some paper work error they already know about.

It's pretty much rule number one of dealing with the public, never say something 'will' happen, until you know it can happen, regardless of how many conditions you subsequently apply.

And then there's the thing that most people take 'as soon as possible' to mean 'shortly', rather than 'if this task is actually achievable, it will be done at some point in the future'.
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bilky asko

That eventuality is already covered by the statement "We will return to the programme as soon as possible" - in that it may not be possible to return to the programme.


While implying that you definitely will be returning to the programme.


OK - good luck finding an official source which equates the phrase "will return to...as soon as possible" with "definitely".

I think you're missing the point. The phrase "as soon as possible" covers both scenarios - i.e., that you may or may not be able to return to the programme, depending on whether or not the impediment can be removed.

It is not correct to say that you "hope" to return to something as soon as possible.


Why not? What if it is possible to return but they did not because the CA was speaking? What if they show a filler, but rather than cut off the last minute they let it play before returning?
MM
MMcG198
If you're being pedantic about it, yes, you're correct, but its still a bad choice of words. "Hope" and "try" both better describe what it going on.


No, it's not a bad choice of words, it's the correct choice of words. I do take your point that many people don't get the proper meaning of the phrase but using incorrect wording, purely so that people might stand a better chance of getting the intended message, does not make it right.

To get around the potential for misinterpretation of the phrase "as soon as possible", there are alternatives, which are :

- We hope to get back to the programme shortly.
- We're trying our best to correct the fault and hope to get the programme back on air very shortly.
- We're working on the problem and hope to get back to the programme shortly.

In these examples, the use of the word "hope" is correct.

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It's pretty much rule number one of dealing with the public, never say something 'will' happen, until you know it can happen, regardless of how many conditions you subsequently apply..


OK, so you continue to miss the point. Pop on any decent grammar forum and argue it out on there.
JO
Joe
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