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(July 2005)

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CL
CL2K
God almighty.

Where do they get off being patronising, and dumbing things down?

Those ludicrous subtitles to the BBC First Night of the Proms on BBC1 tonight.

For instance - sound of violins playing, shot of violinists playing, subtitle: "Now the violins take up the tune."

Um... yeah, we like, get that...

And Titchmarsh - Alan Greenfingers Titchmarsh - telling us what to listen for?

<shakes head in utter & complete despair>
PT
Put The Telly On
..and this on a Friday night as well. Rolling Eyes
IS
Inspector Sands
CL2K posted:
God almighty.

Where do they get off being patronising, and dumbing things down?

Those ludicrous subtitles to the BBC First Night of the Proms on BBC1 tonight.

For instance - sound of violins playing, shot of violinists playing, subtitle: "Now the violins take up the tune."

Um... yeah, we like, get that...


Are you deaf then?
JV
James Vertigan Founding member
Yeah, my dad didn't like them - nor did he like the films that accompanied some of the music... he likes to watch what's going on in the hall - so he got me to complain to the BBC! lol

The only reason I can think why they put the programme notes on the screen was because no Interactive option was offered at the time due to all the interactive feeds being taken up by the golf?

The Proms interactive service was available in the second half on BBC2.
NH
Nick Harvey Founding member
Inspector Sands posted:
Are you deaf then?

They weren't the sort you turn on and off, Inspector, they were stuck there across the bottom of the screen in white on purple, whether you wanted them or not.

I know a FAIR amount about classical music, and they made me feel as if I was being talked at by Anna Ford, explaining that the BBC News is from the BBC.

It REALLY WAS a very poor show. Dumbing down at its ABSOLUTE WORST.
BT
Baroness Trumpington
Agreed! Those big purple blocks were awful and completely ruined the framing of the shots.

Let's hope they revert to being an "optional extra".
ST
steddenm
BBC Broadcast's subtites on 888 were even worse... from the last two mins...

[# VIOLINS PLAY MERRY TUNE]

[# BRASS JOINS IN]

[# ALL ORCHESTRA PLAYS SAME PIECE]

[# ENDS #]

[We'll be back on BBC Two in a moment. Goodbye for now.]

I hope the stenographer didn't get that bored during the music. At one point in the show...

[This is a steno test]

...kept appearing on the screen!
CL
CL2K
Uh, no , I'm not deaf...

... and I'd imagine a deaf person (a) might not watch the Proms and (b) if they did, would be able to see which instruments were being played.

The other thing that was utterly nauseating was the outdoor shots of the "celebrity" audience members. Totally against the spirit of the Proms (if such a thing still exists) as there was no mention whatever of the cheap tickets for the promenaders, who stand. Just Bill Nighy sipping mineral water and putting on his dark glasses, Ian McKellan, Lesley Garrett and other assorted luvvies looking to see who was admiring them.

Bah. Forsooth.

I agree that the big purple boxes completely ruined the filming.

Nonetheless, Janine Janson is clearly a fine musician - her performance of the Mendelssohn was very pleasing indeed.
TE
Telefis
Do deaf people honestly watch it?!

Agreed about the purple subtitles - dumbing down at its worst.
What would be perhaps effective is a little informative introductory piece like often pops up during TOTP 2 about the piece and composer.

Beautifully shot all the same - by far the best is the jib-arm(?) shot at the very top level of the Hall, which starts off with a brightly lit column and capital framing the left, and floats out beyond it over the Hall - really magnificent!
CL
CL2K
Oh, they certainly know how to film it - I'm not disputing that. Just... why ruin it by patronising us with their (to be brutally honest, pretty shallow) knowledge of classical music?

I mean: "A Corsair is a type of pirate."

Ooh. Rocket science.
IS
Inspector Sands
Nick Harvey posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
Are you deaf then?

They weren't the sort you turn on and off, Inspector, they were stuck there across the bottom of the screen in white on purple, whether you wanted them or not.


Ah I see, that is very silly then
MA
marksi
The reason it was on BBC ONE was to try and bring it to an audience which wouldn't normally watch a classical concert. I didn't see the subtitles so I can't say whether they were too obvious, but really, you don't need to be snotty about it - if it annoyed you that much you could always listen to it on Radio 3.

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