to be fair the original post does make that clarification
The title of the thread is misleading
It's not really. Todays 'BBC One' is the continuation of the TV station that started on 2nd November 1936. Apart from the break for war between 1939 and 1946, it has broadcast continuously. The fact that it changed name in the 60's in irrelevant
Surely "BBC Television is 70" would be a better title - though the BBC were experimenting with TV way before the formal service launch in 1936 that this anniversary refers to.
BBC One simply didn't exist as BBC One prior to the launch of BBC Two in 1964 - it was simply BBC Television.
BBC One simply didn't exist as BBC One prior to the launch of BBC Two in 1964 - it was simply BBC Television.
Actually noggin, BBC didn't rename the main channel as "BBC 1" for some time, although I'm not old enough to recall as I wasn't about at the time
From my collection of idents etc I think it was just BBC TV and BBC2 for a while was it not - you probably know better than me though!
EDIT: Abit like Sky Sports 1 wasn't numbered until many years after Sky Sports 2 came along, purely because many people couldn't get "2".
Yep - I wasn't sure whether BBC TV became BBC One in 1964 or later. That is why I was careful not to say BBC One started in 1964, just that it didn't exist prior to 1964!
BBC One simply didn't exist as BBC One prior to the launch of BBC Two in 1964 - it was simply BBC Television.
Actually noggin, BBC didn't rename the main channel as "BBC 1" for some time, although I'm not old enough to recall as I wasn't about at the time
From my collection of idents etc I think it was just BBC TV and BBC2 for a while was it not - you probably know better than me though!
EDIT: Abit like Sky Sports 1 wasn't numbered until many years after Sky Sports 2 came along, purely because many people couldn't get "2".
Yep - I wasn't sure whether BBC TV became BBC One in 1964 or later. That is why I was careful not to say BBC One started in 1964, just that it didn't exist prior to 1964!
If someone changes their name by deedpole, it would be, AFAIK, acceptable to say "[New Name] is x years old".
The core to this 'argument' is whether BBCtv ceased to exist and was replaced by a similar channel, or whether BBC1 is the same entity as BBCtv, just with a simple re-name.
I'd say that it is the same entity with a new name, even 'inheriting'* BBCtv idents. If this is the case, then 'bbc1' refers to the same entity as 'bbctv'.
*I put 'inheriting' in inverted commas, because 'inherititing' implies two entities.
If someone changes their name by deedpole, it would be, AFAIK, acceptable to say "[New Name] is x years old".
The core to this 'argument' is whether BBCtv ceased to exist and was replaced by a similar channel, or whether BBC1 is the same entity as BBCtv, just with a simple re-name.
I'd say that it is the same entity with a new name, even 'inheriting'* BBCtv idents. If this is the case, then 'bbc1' refers to the same entity as 'bbctv'.
*I put 'inheriting' in inverted commas, because 'inherititing' implies two entities.
Original BBC TV = BBC1 it just got renamed to BBC1 when BBC2 launched, AFAIK
dbl is right. After the launch of BBC2, BBC TV became BBC1. However, some sources say idents never displayed the 1 until around 1966, though on a TOTP clip from TV Ark from 1964, it shows the first "BBC1" ident made before the programme.
dbl is right. After the launch of BBC2, BBC TV became BBC1. However, some sources say idents never displayed the 1 until around 1966, though on a TOTP clip from TV Ark from 1964, it shows the first "BBC1" ident made before the programme.
There is no hard evidence to say the first globe with the 'BBC1' legend appeared in 1964; in fact the 'BBC' globe introduced on 20th April 1964:
was definitely still in use in October proved by this clip which I recorded from BBC Parliament's showing of the 1964 General Election: http://www.nascr.net/~rgwill3/BBC164.rm . On the other hand, this globe ran concurrently with this 'secondary ident' which used the '1' right from the start.
There was a discussion on the Doctor Who Restoration Team forum a while back in which an archivist at the BBC confirmed that this globe did indeed remain until 1966, 17th April to be precise, with the first globe to say 'BBC1' (an early variant of the so-called 'watchstrap globe' with plain white bars either side) appearing the day after:
BBC One simply didn't exist as BBC One prior to the launch of BBC Two in 1964 - it was simply BBC Television.
Actually noggin, BBC didn't rename the main channel as "BBC 1" for some time, although I'm not old enough to recall as I wasn't about at the time
From my collection of idents etc I think it was just BBC TV and BBC2 for a while was it not - you probably know better than me though!
EDIT: Abit like Sky Sports 1 wasn't numbered until many years after Sky Sports 2 came along, purely because many people couldn't get "2".
Yep - I wasn't sure whether BBC TV became BBC One in 1964 or later. That is why I was careful not to say BBC One started in 1964, just that it didn't exist prior to 1964!
There's a special programme coming up on BBC One on the 19th December to mark 70 years of BBC TV:
Imagine...And Then There Was Television
From radiotimes.com:
Alan Yentob celebrates the 70th anniversary of the world's first scheduled high-definition television service, by the BBC from Alexandra Palace in 1936. He take some of the pioneering engineers and on-screen talent back to the studios to see what they can remember of TV's early days - from Picture Page to Muffin the Mule to the first news programme and the potter's wheel 'interlude'. Plus, some amazing archive footage and the Queen's 1953 coronation, TV's big breakthrough to mass acceptance.
