KE
No, because they recreate the end credits in exactly the same style as the original ones.
They appear to be doing it to remove references to the old regional companies, which is a shame really, as it seems completely unnecessary!
Do ITV do it so they can use their standard ECPs with old programmes?
No, because they recreate the end credits in exactly the same style as the original ones.
They appear to be doing it to remove references to the old regional companies, which is a shame really, as it seems completely unnecessary!
LL
Slightly off topic, but Big Break has barely aged (granted the episode in question is only fourteen years old). It's a shame John aged and Jim had everybody turn against him so we could never see them together again for a revival.
BU
One reason the Big Break credits will have been edited is that there used to be a phone-in competition at the end of each episode in the later years that was edited into the theme tune, so any edit to take that out will naturally look a bit rough.
Slightly related - the current Mr Bean repeats on ITV2 are all cut into 16:9, seemingly just to add the modern Tiger Aspect production caption at the end (complete with 1989/1990 etc copyright date), which is a shame...
Slightly related - the current Mr Bean repeats on ITV2 are all cut into 16:9, seemingly just to add the modern Tiger Aspect production caption at the end (complete with 1989/1990 etc copyright date), which is a shame...
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VM
I'm confused by that date actually - the iPlayer says it was first shown on 19th May 2001, and indeed there is a listing in the Genome for that day, but the copyright notice at the end of the programme is 1998.
Slightly off topic, but Big Break has barely aged (granted the episode in question is only fourteen years old).
I'm confused by that date actually - the iPlayer says it was first shown on 19th May 2001, and indeed there is a listing in the Genome for that day, but the copyright notice at the end of the programme is 1998.
IT
It looks like that 'Puvanesan Kay' now legally has to be the FIRST credit in the list, should Bobs Full House be repeated, who was not credited at the time. As they couldn't really stick that into the already existing credits, they've redone them for iPlayer as best they can.
Also, I am perplexed by the original credits. The camera points at the spinning set piece, with blue background, with 'Bobs Full House' attached in 3D letters. These then disappear, and captions are keyed ontop of the plain blue background. The final caption is keyed on, before a cut to the wide shot where the same characters are now attached to the set piece in 3D. How??
Also, I am perplexed by the original credits. The camera points at the spinning set piece, with blue background, with 'Bobs Full House' attached in 3D letters. These then disappear, and captions are keyed ontop of the plain blue background. The final caption is keyed on, before a cut to the wide shot where the same characters are now attached to the set piece in 3D. How??
PA
Well to be fair, the Inspector Morse episodes have been remastered in HD, although that is still an odd copyright notice.
I've also noticed ITV doing this for several years now. I've noticed it on other programmes such as Poirot and The Darling Buds of May, and in some cases this results in 4:3 programmes having widescreen end credits (in letterbox format).
I think when Challenge showed Knightmare a couple of years ago it had then new ITV Studios Global Entertainment ident I think
ITV do this quite a lot with their old dramas. I was watching the pilot episode of Inspector Morse on ITV3 last weekend, and part way through the end credits appeared "ÃÂé ITV STUDIOS LTD - MCMLXXXVII", a company which didn't even exist in 1987.
More confusing, was at the end it was still referred to as a 'Zenith Production for Central'.
More confusing, was at the end it was still referred to as a 'Zenith Production for Central'.
Well to be fair, the Inspector Morse episodes have been remastered in HD, although that is still an odd copyright notice.
I've also noticed ITV doing this for several years now. I've noticed it on other programmes such as Poirot and The Darling Buds of May, and in some cases this results in 4:3 programmes having widescreen end credits (in letterbox format).
I think when Challenge showed Knightmare a couple of years ago it had then new ITV Studios Global Entertainment ident I think
BE
I'm confused by that date actually - the iPlayer says it was first shown on 19th May 2001, and indeed there is a listing in the Genome for that day, but the copyright notice at the end of the programme is 1998.
Perhaps that series was delayed somehow?
Slightly off topic, but Big Break has barely aged (granted the episode in question is only fourteen years old).
I'm confused by that date actually - the iPlayer says it was first shown on 19th May 2001, and indeed there is a listing in the Genome for that day, but the copyright notice at the end of the programme is 1998.
Perhaps that series was delayed somehow?
DJ
Here's the original end credits from Bob's Full House on an episode in 1989:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81XC2hyLkHo
That episode has an "updated" set that's different to the one in the 1987 episode on BBC iPlayer. This was from an era when gameshows used to alter or change their sets every other series. That hardly ever happens nowadays.
Here's the very first episode from 1984 ... but taken from a much more recent airing on Challenge . . .
Here's the original end credits from Bob's Full House on an episode in 1989:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81XC2hyLkHo
That episode has an "updated" set that's different to the one in the 1987 episode on BBC iPlayer. This was from an era when gameshows used to alter or change their sets every other series. That hardly ever happens nowadays.
Here's the very first episode from 1984 ... but taken from a much more recent airing on Challenge . . .
AS
It's hard tell from the YouTube clip but maybe the background is overlaid over the whole "Bob's Full House" title (seamlessly) then the credits overlaid over that. During this time the wide shot is achieved after either after another spin of the board or just manually replaced?
Someone has gone to a decent enough effort to keep both programme credits within the spirit of their original design - even down to the BBC logo on Bob's and a roughly similar font for Big Break.
Maybe the difference with Challenge is that these episodes have presumably been given a indefinite or very extended license to be shown on iPlayer for the foreseeable future so the owner credit was deemed more important.
Asa
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Also, I am perplexed by the original credits. The camera points at the spinning set piece, with blue background, with 'Bobs Full House' attached in 3D letters. These then disappear, and captions are keyed on top of the plain blue background. The final caption is keyed on, before a cut to the wide shot where the same characters are now attached to the set piece in 3D. How??
It's hard tell from the YouTube clip but maybe the background is overlaid over the whole "Bob's Full House" title (seamlessly) then the credits overlaid over that. During this time the wide shot is achieved after either after another spin of the board or just manually replaced?
Someone has gone to a decent enough effort to keep both programme credits within the spirit of their original design - even down to the BBC logo on Bob's and a roughly similar font for Big Break.
Maybe the difference with Challenge is that these episodes have presumably been given a indefinite or very extended license to be shown on iPlayer for the foreseeable future so the owner credit was deemed more important.
DA
I think what we're seeing is a real startboard in the wide shot, then the close up as the board "swings" into final position is just a DVE move (disguised here by the VHS recording and the dodgy deinterlacing) of an animated background (silver border) with the startboard keyed on top. Then the credits cycle through, ending with another brief DVE move to give the impression of the board spinning out of shot again. Back to the wide, and it's a real endboard.
Someone clearly took some pride in making those credits. The initial DVE move even overshoots and slides back into place!
Also, I am perplexed by the original credits. The camera points at the spinning set piece, with blue background, with 'Bobs Full House' attached in 3D letters. These then disappear, and captions are keyed ontop of the plain blue background. The final caption is keyed on, before a cut to the wide shot where the same characters are now attached to the set piece in 3D. How??
I think what we're seeing is a real startboard in the wide shot, then the close up as the board "swings" into final position is just a DVE move (disguised here by the VHS recording and the dodgy deinterlacing) of an animated background (silver border) with the startboard keyed on top. Then the credits cycle through, ending with another brief DVE move to give the impression of the board spinning out of shot again. Back to the wide, and it's a real endboard.
Someone clearly took some pride in making those credits. The initial DVE move even overshoots and slides back into place!
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