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TIGHazard709 posts since 3 Jan 2014
Tyne Tees Look North (North East)

What is funny is despite the best efforts by the thread creator, this issue isn’t on party political lines.

If you go on twitter and see a post where someone has put the case for the BBC being worth the money, listing how it costs
tuppence a day to pay for umpteen services, they often receive a barrage of negative replies slating the corporation.

But these negative responses are generally from left leaning remainers, usually saying they don’t want to pay for
the BBC due to what they see as political bias and want it to end, almost a company version of ‘cancel culture’.
So it clearly isn’t just a ‘Boris/Tory’ thing.


All while the right-wing media (The S*n, Daily Fail ... etc.) frequently say the BBC is too biased towards left-wing and anti-Brexit views.


I can't believe I'm actually "both sides-ing" this, but it's totally possible for lets say, a right-wing person to be able to sprout incorrect facts on Politics Live and the presenter unfortunately doesn't have the correct statistics to hand, or it happens right at the end of the show and they have to go off air without a rebuttal, which people could then perceive as right-wing bias.

Meanwhile on Question Time the panel may, for that week, be slightly more biased towards left-wing or remain views due to who they could book.

Just because there's equal amounts of claims of bias from both sides in a week doesn't mean that the BBC were unbiased during those programmes. Both shows could have had a slight bias one way or the other.

But these are things Ofcom need to investigate first. Not be plastered all over Twitter and other social media, or national newspapers.
itsrobert6,453 posts since 23 Mar 2001
Granada North West Today
The question is how is bias measured though? Does each edition of a programme have to be absolutely impartial? Or is it OK for the BBC to skew slightly one way on one edition and the other way on another edition? As long as the BBC airs all views at some point, then isn't that doing its job? Sometimes you have to take the long view of these things. These days too many people are only concerned about themselves and being outraged about everything they see, even on the basis of one incident. Nobody has any time for debate and a resulting compromise anymore. It's their way or no way. It's quite sad really.

I'd say the BBC is doing a fine job in the long term. It's certainly far more impartial than some rival media outlets. The trouble is that it can't win because in being impartial it doesn't please everyone - only those of us who are balanced individuals open to other opinions.

On a more general note, I feel that something has gone drastically wrong in this country over recent years. Whatever happened to 'love thy neighbour' and 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you'? It's time more people realised that there is more than one point of view and that just because someone holds a different opinion, it doesn't automatically mean they're wrong.

Sorry, that turned into a little bit of a rant. I just think with everything that's happened lately from Brexit to BBC bashing to Caroline Flack, something has to be done to reset society.
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Andrew14,259 posts since 27 Mar 2001
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)

What is funny is despite the best efforts by the thread creator, this issue isn’t on party political lines.

If you go on twitter and see a post where someone has put the case for the BBC being worth the money, listing how it costs
tuppence a day to pay for umpteen services, they often receive a barrage of negative replies slating the corporation.

But these negative responses are generally from left leaning remainers, usually saying they don’t want to pay for
the BBC due to what they see as political bias and want it to end, almost a company version of ‘cancel culture’.
So it clearly isn’t just a ‘Boris/Tory’ thing.


All while the right-wing media (The S*n, Daily Fail ... etc.) frequently say the BBC is too biased towards left-wing and anti-Brexit views.


I can't believe I'm actually "both sides-ing" this, but it's totally possible for lets say, a right-wing person to be able to sprout incorrect facts on Politics Live and the presenter unfortunately doesn't have the correct statistics to hand, or it happens right at the end of the show and they have to go off air without a rebuttal, which people could then perceive as right-wing bias.

Meanwhile on Question Time the panel may, for that week, be slightly more biased towards left-wing or remain views due to who they could book.

Or what also happens is clips taken out of context.

Left wing person talks for ages on the subject, right wing person says a bit, left wing person comes back in. Fiona shuts them down as she’s heard enough from that person and the rest of the panel needs to get a word in.

Cue the last part of the exchange being clipped up and spread far and wide across social media showing how biased the BBC are not letting the left wing view get heard.
Brekkie33,887 posts since 4 Jan 2003
HTV Wales Wales Today
Sorry, that turned into a little bit of a rant. I just think with everything that's happened lately from Brexit to BBC bashing to Caroline Flack, something has to be done to reset society.

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Charlie Wells3,861 posts since 26 Nov 2003 Moderator
Anglia (West) Look East (West sub-opt)
That went well for the unnamed Downing Street source. One Sunday Times front page, and they've already started to consolidate support for the BBC. Below is the Daily Mail:


Isn't the Daily Mail showing support for the BBC one of the signs of the apocalypse? Or at least a sign that someone is trying to wind up Paul Dacre, even though he's now retired. Razz
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Custard56 (previously Jay Lee) 657 posts since 7 Apr 2015
London
That went well for the unnamed Downing Street source. One Sunday Times front page, and they've already started to consolidate support for the BBC. Below is the Daily Mail:


Isn't the Daily Mail showing support for the BBC one of the signs of the apocalypse? Or at least a sign that someone is trying to wind up Paul Dacre, even though he's now retired. Razz


Although on Monday, they still ran an article repeating everything in The Sunday Times article, along with the headline about 200,000 people "ditching" their BBC TV licences, so I doubt we can say the Daily Fail is best friends with the BBC any time soon.
DJGM2,712 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Granada North West Today
"Jonathan Pie" hits the nail on the head about the BBC in his latest video.
WARNING ... Contains strong language and adult humour. Viewer discretion is advised.

"The Not-So-Late-Show with Greg Mitchell" will hopefully return in some form, somewhere soon.
Unlikely to be on Roch Valley Radio though.

Stay tuned . . .
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TIGHazard709 posts since 3 Jan 2014
Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
Sorry for the source guys, but I felt this should probably also go in this thread

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8034375/Boris-Johnson-confirmed-plan-sell-Channel-4-boycotting-left-wing-broadcaster.html

(The important part so you don't have to go there)

Quote:


'Boris Johnson has privately confirmed that he will definitely privatise Channel 4,' a Conservative MP told the Sunday Express. 'He thinks it's a great idea.'

Shipley MP Philip Davies, who sits on the Culture, Media and Sport select committee, said: 'I've been arguing for years it should be sold off.'

JKDerry2,456 posts since 15 Oct 2016
UTV Newsline
Channel 4 exists entirely self funded and so I doubt the government will ever move to change much of that company. Unlike the BBC, Channel 4 receives not a penny from the licence fee, and sells its own advertising. Not much the Johnson government can do to twist that channel's arm, apart from the on going speculation of privatisation which is so far down on their list of priorities.
JKDerry2,456 posts since 15 Oct 2016
UTV Newsline
Also reading that article again, it is empty of any content at all. Most of it is actually about the BBC, not much on Channel 4 apart from a headline grabber, so complete nonsense I guess. It is the Daily Mail after all, the newspaper that hates newspapers.
Brekkie33,887 posts since 4 Jan 2003
HTV Wales Wales Today
Also reading that article again, it is empty of any content at all.

Aren't most news articles nowadays?


The Sunday Times also on the attack of the BBC Scotland channel this weekend. Now I agree it's been a massive waste of cash and launched for political rather than practical purposes, where viewers would have benefitted more from more investment in content on BBC1/2 than launching a whole channel - but it's clearly this weeks bash the BBC article so I won't link to it.

As for C4 - surely it's the model the licence fee haters want the BBC to take. Maybe for that to happen C4 needs to be sold. It would be a shame for it to be taken out of public ownership, but given the government attitude to the PSBs in recent years I probably trust it more in the hands of a commercial enterprise than the Tories.
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