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BBC to switch off red button text

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TIGHazard
JAS84 posted:
America never had teletext did it? Because their TVs are a different standard.


They can have it - and did - But it was down to individual affiliates and cable providers.

Not every TV was required to have it built in as standard, which didn't help matters.

And then no-one found a way to monetise it, so they dropped it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electra_(teletext)
MA
Markymark

Long version: No, the test card in the Red Button service is just an Easter Egg and is too compressed to be useful for much. The overnight tests were discontinued because the backup system they were testing no long applies to digital TV. The two are not linked.


Yes, and the test card is of very little use these days in the broadcast chain, and not much use for the TV trade/public.

Back in the analogue era, it was very useful as a static image to adjust aerials to minimise ghosting effects (which as many riggers from that era will tell you, the introduction of daytime telly was a nuisance) It was also very useful for the TV repair trade, to set up the geometry (that's why all [1] test cards had a circle in them) and other scanning parameters for CRT tellies.

Today with digital and flat screens, nothing much other than brightness and contrast you can use it for.
The most useful thing about the snatch of TCW on BBC 2 overnight, is the 5.1 audio ID

[1] The IBA's ETP-1 had no circle. Cheapskates.
NG
noggin Founding member

Today with digital and flat screens, nothing much other than brightness and contrast you can use it for.


The frequency gratings are useful for setting sharpness to minimise any HF-detail masking. (Some TVs need sharpness at 0, others at 50%)

I'd quite like a zone plate...
Last edited by noggin on 20 September 2019 1:36pm
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Markymark
dvboy posted:
I can remember at a huge family reunion when I was fairly young using Ceefax to look up football results and an American distant relative being fascinated by it.


I sat in a bar once with a visiting American colleague, he was transfixed by Noel's House Party, but it wasn't the anything on the show itself, he just said, 'Amazing, I've been watching for almost 20 minutes, and not seen a commercial break yet'.
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Jon
dvboy posted:
I can remember at a huge family reunion when I was fairly young using Ceefax to look up football results and an American distant relative being fascinated by it.


I sat in a bar once with a visiting American colleague, he was transfixed by Noel's House Party, but it wasn't the anything on the show itself, he just said, 'Amazing, I've been watching for almost 20 minutes, and not seen a commercial break yet'.

I hope you told why, that it was all paid for by product placement for UK gunge manufactures.
BU
buster
dvboy posted:
I can remember at a huge family reunion when I was fairly young using Ceefax to look up football results and an American distant relative being fascinated by it.


I sat in a bar once with a visiting American colleague, he was transfixed by Noel's House Party, but it wasn't the anything on the show itself, he just said, 'Amazing, I've been watching for almost 20 minutes, and not seen a commercial break yet'.


Clearly wasn't this episode then, which I came across recently! (from about 22:50)



It's quite arresting how unnatural it feels for Noel to throw to a break, but it's done completely as if real (and with a C4-style break bumper too).
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Markymark

It's quite arresting how unnatural it feels for Noel to throw to a break, but it's done completely as if real (and with a C4-style break bumper too).


Ha ! Those who paid attention to the recent C4 Regional Opt thread, will realise that whoever produced that break bumper, must have lived in the TVS region Cool
Si-Co, Steve in Pudsey and buster gave kudos
JV
James Vertigan Founding member

One thing I remember from Ceefax subtitles back in the day was the use of flashing subtitles for continuous sounds such as a ringing phone.


They also used to use a wider selection of text colours and would use coloured backgrounds to represent non-human voices, like the computers in Star Trek. If you watch something like Allo Allo on Yesterday you'll also notice that they used to do a lot more editing of what was spoken. These days subtitles are almost always verbatim transcripts (barring errors, though once or twice on Holby City I've seen the subtitles correct an actor's medical terminology error).


There’s a good piece on how the BBC used to create subtitles, which also explains about the editing, here

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Technologist
This is the current BBC style and creation of subtitle guide
https://bbc.github.io/subtitle-guidelines/

And show how much things have changed as we have 100% subtitling
TJ
TomJ
Very little of what's in those guidelines actually makes its way to subtitlers in their training, particularly for recent recruits. And much of what's there is either ignored or has been actively countermanded in the pursuit of increased productivity.
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VMPhil
I grant you that this may not be surprising given the demographic of their readers, but this week’s Radio Times letters section contains no less than seven letters protesting the closure of the red button service.
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zeebre12
Will the linear BBC Red Button channel still operate?

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