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There was a widely rumoured 'break clause' at the end of this season, just as there was in ITV's contract which they chose to exercise in 2008. Even if the BBC didn't technically didn't break the contract I'm sure Bernie would overlook that as hes got a new longer term deal with (if reports are correct) quite an increase.
Why did they choose to get out of the contract? Hopefully this won't sound too ignorant, but I'm not sure as far as TV rights go. Does this mean they don't have to pay for the remaining years?
There was a widely rumoured 'break clause' at the end of this season, just as there was in ITV's contract which they chose to exercise in 2008. Even if the BBC didn't technically didn't break the contract I'm sure Bernie would overlook that as hes got a new longer term deal with (if reports are correct) quite an increase.
MA
How much will it save in the long term by moving everything there and getting rid of Yalding House, Bush House, Marylebone High Street, Brock House, Western House, Henry Wood House and of course TV Centre?
That's not to mention all the other buildings they've left/sold over the last 5-10 years as part of the scheme to locate everything on 2 sites - North Acton, Woodlands, Centre House, Threshold House, Union House, Network House etc. They lost a few when they privatised various bits of the corporation too, their property costs and revenue from selling sites must have saved a bit
If I was downsizing (or upsizing), and trying to consolidate my operations into one location, the last thing I'd do is choose a location that's in W1, the UK's most expensive area !
Just remind me once again how much the Beeb are spending on that BH extension in W1 ?
How much will it save in the long term by moving everything there and getting rid of Yalding House, Bush House, Marylebone High Street, Brock House, Western House, Henry Wood House and of course TV Centre?
That's not to mention all the other buildings they've left/sold over the last 5-10 years as part of the scheme to locate everything on 2 sites - North Acton, Woodlands, Centre House, Threshold House, Union House, Network House etc. They lost a few when they privatised various bits of the corporation too, their property costs and revenue from selling sites must have saved a bit
If I was downsizing (or upsizing), and trying to consolidate my operations into one location, the last thing I'd do is choose a location that's in W1, the UK's most expensive area !
IS
But they've not had to buy any land in W1, whereas they are disposing of lots of property in W1.
Apart from the complications around refurbishing and incorporating a listed building, the location doesn't affect the construction price. Although of course whether they should have gone for a lower-quality building is another matter
Of course they could have sold Broadcasting House but I can't see that being a popular move
If I was downsizing (or upsizing), and trying to consolidate my operations into one location, the last thing I'd do is choose a location that's in W1, the UK's most expensive area !
But they've not had to buy any land in W1, whereas they are disposing of lots of property in W1.
Apart from the complications around refurbishing and incorporating a listed building, the location doesn't affect the construction price. Although of course whether they should have gone for a lower-quality building is another matter
Of course they could have sold Broadcasting House but I can't see that being a popular move
GE
Apart from in 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2010. So, yes, hardly ever. Infact, only in the Ferrari / Schumacher years of domination in the early 2000s has the season been decided before the last couple of races.
Plus Brazil has started to become the pick as the final race of the season- its in prime time in Europe and is usually an exciting race at a great track so a very good pick.
Your sarcasm goes right over my head. In the last 61 years, the Drivers Championship has gone down to the wire a total of 25 times. Out of 61 seasons. As I said, more often than not. Yes, admittedly the sport has changed in the last 15 years, which may lend itself to closer championship races, but I was merely making a point.
Anyway, an interesting chat with John Watson here on Sky Sports News, where he suggests that Sky will run the entire races ad-free, from lights to chequered flag.
http://www.skysports.com/skysportsnews/story/0,28679,19501_7066689,00.html
And the last race of the season isn't necessarily a great pick - the Drivers Championship is more often than not decided before the last race.
Apart from in 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2010. So, yes, hardly ever. Infact, only in the Ferrari / Schumacher years of domination in the early 2000s has the season been decided before the last couple of races.
Plus Brazil has started to become the pick as the final race of the season- its in prime time in Europe and is usually an exciting race at a great track so a very good pick.
Your sarcasm goes right over my head. In the last 61 years, the Drivers Championship has gone down to the wire a total of 25 times. Out of 61 seasons. As I said, more often than not. Yes, admittedly the sport has changed in the last 15 years, which may lend itself to closer championship races, but I was merely making a point.
Anyway, an interesting chat with John Watson here on Sky Sports News, where he suggests that Sky will run the entire races ad-free, from lights to chequered flag.
http://www.skysports.com/skysportsnews/story/0,28679,19501_7066689,00.html
SK
Apart from in 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2010. So, yes, hardly ever. Infact, only in the Ferrari / Schumacher years of domination in the early 2000s has the season been decided before the last couple of races.
Plus Brazil has started to become the pick as the final race of the season- its in prime time in Europe and is usually an exciting race at a great track so a very good pick.
Your sarcasm goes right over my head. In the last 61 years, the Drivers Championship has gone down to the wire a total of 25 times. Out of 61 seasons. As I said, more often than not. Yes, admittedly the sport has changed in the last 15 years, which may lend itself to closer championship races, but I was merely making a point.
Anyway, an interesting chat with John Watson here on Sky Sports News, where he suggests that Sky will run the entire races ad-free, from lights to chequered flag.
http://www.skysports.com/skysportsnews/story/0,28679,19501_7066689,00.html
Sky have confirmed on their message board that the races will air with no adverts.
Take a look at the comments section on this page: http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12433_7066182,00.html
And the last race of the season isn't necessarily a great pick - the Drivers Championship is more often than not decided before the last race.
Apart from in 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2010. So, yes, hardly ever. Infact, only in the Ferrari / Schumacher years of domination in the early 2000s has the season been decided before the last couple of races.
Plus Brazil has started to become the pick as the final race of the season- its in prime time in Europe and is usually an exciting race at a great track so a very good pick.
Your sarcasm goes right over my head. In the last 61 years, the Drivers Championship has gone down to the wire a total of 25 times. Out of 61 seasons. As I said, more often than not. Yes, admittedly the sport has changed in the last 15 years, which may lend itself to closer championship races, but I was merely making a point.
Anyway, an interesting chat with John Watson here on Sky Sports News, where he suggests that Sky will run the entire races ad-free, from lights to chequered flag.
http://www.skysports.com/skysportsnews/story/0,28679,19501_7066689,00.html
Sky have confirmed on their message board that the races will air with no adverts.
Take a look at the comments section on this page: http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12433_7066182,00.html
BR
If they hadn't broken early they couldn't have freed up the funds for the part time contract in future years. Although every figure you see is different they've giving up a contract worth around £80m (based on £40m/year) to fund one worth £105m (based on £15m/year).
From a pure financial point of view (and it is a financial decision) the BBC will be paying half a million less per race, plus getting delayed coverage or highlights of other races thrown in for free.
Why did they choose to get out of the contract? Hopefully this won't sound too ignorant, but I'm not sure as far as TV rights go. Does this mean they don't have to pay for the remaining years?
If they hadn't broken early they couldn't have freed up the funds for the part time contract in future years. Although every figure you see is different they've giving up a contract worth around £80m (based on £40m/year) to fund one worth £105m (based on £15m/year).
From a pure financial point of view (and it is a financial decision) the BBC will be paying half a million less per race, plus getting delayed coverage or highlights of other races thrown in for free.
Last edited by Brekkie on 31 July 2011 12:34pm
NG
The current Concorde agreement runs out before the new deal kicks in.
Googling it seems the preesnt (2009) agreement expires 31/12/2012 ?
When does the BBC/Sky deal actually start ?
One on line example, others available:-
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article6735906.ece
My mistake - the current agreement runs out at the end of 2012, so there is potentially a year of the new BBC/Sky deal before it runs out. From the reporting, it doesn't sound as if this is likely to cause a problem.
noggin
Founding member
A friend on Facebook claims the concorde agreement, which in effect is the structure of F1, states all races must be live on Free to air. So, if that's the case, and I don't know if that's true, what then could happen? He suggests the deal is illegal.
The current Concorde agreement runs out before the new deal kicks in.
Googling it seems the preesnt (2009) agreement expires 31/12/2012 ?
When does the BBC/Sky deal actually start ?
One on line example, others available:-
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article6735906.ece
My mistake - the current agreement runs out at the end of 2012, so there is potentially a year of the new BBC/Sky deal before it runs out. From the reporting, it doesn't sound as if this is likely to cause a problem.
DJ
I never really got why ITV opted for the standard breaks - so a 3-4 minute gap every break. Wouldn't something similar to how C4 (and I assume Sky) did the cricket with more frequent breaks, but shorter.
Cricket you can predict and plan when to take a few adverts - end of overs, somebody's been bowled/caught are the two most obvious examples.
With F1 being a running event constant for on average 90 mins a time and normally something going on at every opportunity, no real breakaway opportunity, the cars aren't going to stop just because a broadcaster is showing John Cleese struggling to get out of a sleeping bag. Pick a moment and hope for the best.
One possible solution is to run commercial breaks "Side by Side" with the live track action (which Versus does for its Indy Car coverage in the U.S. - ESPN have also been known to do this during their NASCAR coverage).
]It was ITV that actually raised the bar, as far as pre and post race coverage is concerned, but IMHO they received little credit because everyone was fixated over the ad breaks !!
I never really got why ITV opted for the standard breaks - so a 3-4 minute gap every break. Wouldn't something similar to how C4 (and I assume Sky) did the cricket with more frequent breaks, but shorter.
Cricket you can predict and plan when to take a few adverts - end of overs, somebody's been bowled/caught are the two most obvious examples.
With F1 being a running event constant for on average 90 mins a time and normally something going on at every opportunity, no real breakaway opportunity, the cars aren't going to stop just because a broadcaster is showing John Cleese struggling to get out of a sleeping bag. Pick a moment and hope for the best.
One possible solution is to run commercial breaks "Side by Side" with the live track action (which Versus does for its Indy Car coverage in the U.S. - ESPN have also been known to do this during their NASCAR coverage).
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One possible solution is to run commercial breaks "Side by Side" with the live track action (which Versus does for its Indy Car coverage in the U.S. - ESPN have also been known to do this during their NASCAR coverage).
RTL do for some (but not all) ad breaks during their F1 coverage. Its not allowed here- Sky have a special exemption for 'Soccer Saturday' because its only text.
One possible solution is to run commercial breaks "Side by Side" with the live track action (which Versus does for its Indy Car coverage in the U.S. - ESPN have also been known to do this during their NASCAR coverage).
RTL do for some (but not all) ad breaks during their F1 coverage. Its not allowed here- Sky have a special exemption for 'Soccer Saturday' because its only text.
MA
One possible solution is to run commercial breaks "Side by Side" with the live track action (which Versus does for its Indy Car coverage in the U.S. - ESPN have also been known to do this during their NASCAR coverage).
RTL do for some (but not all) ad breaks during their F1 coverage. Its not allowed here- Sky have a special exemption for 'Soccer Saturday' because its only text.
Something in my memory says ITV considered that idea for F1, but Ofcom rejected it ?
One possible solution is to run commercial breaks "Side by Side" with the live track action (which Versus does for its Indy Car coverage in the U.S. - ESPN have also been known to do this during their NASCAR coverage).
RTL do for some (but not all) ad breaks during their F1 coverage. Its not allowed here- Sky have a special exemption for 'Soccer Saturday' because its only text.
Something in my memory says ITV considered that idea for F1, but Ofcom rejected it ?
MA
Sky have confirmed on their message board that the races will air with no adverts.
How incredibly generous of them ! They've got a bloody cheek, if I was paying 400 Quid a year to watch their sports channels, I certainly wouldn't expect any coverage to have ad breaks !
Sky have confirmed on their message board that the races will air with no adverts.
How incredibly generous of them ! They've got a bloody cheek, if I was paying 400 Quid a year to watch their sports channels, I certainly wouldn't expect any coverage to have ad breaks !