BBC squashing all credits still more

I quite like them also - saw them for the first time the other day after Neighbours ended (lunchtime edition) and thought it was quite cool!

Does anyone have a video and any caps?

I'm not too keen on the new ECPs. Like many others have said, they waste too much space.

I think personally they should make the video be with a box, and maybe 16:9 safe rather then 4:3 safe.

They're still doing it.

And how many complaints did it take to get "Cliffhanger" withdrawn...?

But don't forget that they still have to meet the safe areas, the ECP is within the smallest square in the centre.

Cliffhanger was withdrawn after several hundred complaints from viewers who found its theme offensive and upsetting - perhaps understandably, the irony in the trailer was missed by many.

That's quite different to a modest number of e-mails from Pres enthusiasts with their own very detailed and, occasionally, obsessional views on how junctions and channel branding should look.

And before anybody says they find credit squeezes offensive and upsetting, we're talking here about the apparent implication in Cliffhanger that it was ok to sit back and do nothing while someone dangles from a cliff and falls to their doom!

If you want to complain, I'd suggest you identify individual examples of credit squeezes which you consider tastless - for instance, were a trail for a comedy programme to be placed seconds after the end of a sensitive drama. That's a fair and arguable point.

However you'll be doing well to find many people who are not Pres enthusiasts or members of Bectu or Equity who'll be too hot under the collar about the very idea of credit squeezes.

According to a source I've been in touch with at the BBC, acquisitioned programmes will not have to conform to the new ECP guidelines and thus Neighbours will not get a reformatted end credits sequence until new look titles and a revamped theme tune begin airing over here in a few months. However, the BBC have asked on this occasion that FremantleMedia accomodate the BBC's new ECP requirements in their new look if possible and they are planning to do this. The new look will launch in the UK on episode 5261 in October.

Saw those squashed credit ecp at the end of Doctor Who on saturday, completely spoilt the theme at the end. It's bad enough that they speak over then end but to squash them in the corner & have Norton talk all over the end is disgraceful.

I just think it's quite an insult to people, who are involved with the programme, to have their name obscured just because the TV stations can't wait 30 seconds till the end

I liked how they did it last night after The Apprentice (Last Weds repeat) when they cut the top into three, by showing what was next on BBC1, BBC2, and BBC3 simular to the image below!

Still poorly designed though with alot of wasted space (and unreadable credits).

It's the box bottom left which is the main problem - if they'd let the actual credits take up the width of the screen I think it would be less of a problem.

The credits at the end of Traffic Cops were awful. They will still left aligned meaning you'd need a 200inch tv to be able to read them

One of these things though - even shrunk to that size, they're STILL bigger than the BBC2 credits were between their Big Relaunch earlier this year that left the Top Gear credits practically illegible (indeed, if you did the box as an overlay over an early-2007 BBC2 programme (as opposed to a squash), they'd fit and still have room to spare...)