MA
Surely 9pm on C5 will do as well as midnight on the BBC. I suspect they'll probably repeat it around midnight themselves to try and get the most out of it too.
An interesting move from C5 though and I don't think it's something anybody other than Manish Bhasin will be losing sleep over at the BBC - if they're trimming the sports budget losing the rights to a highlights show that goes out after midnight is a sensible place to start.
I'd disagree with that - it's all about the broader advantage to the BBC's football portfolio, IMHO. For the past five years the Beeb have been able to cover the whole football pyramid and this gives depth to Football Focus and their website coverage. It's given a greater credibility to their football coverage than just Match of the Day. Having said that, when they lost the online clip rights in the last cycle, along with the live matches, that was a blow to this.
I just don't understand what Channel 5 intend to do with these rights. And I don't understand what has changed since the last rights cycle, when no terrestrial broadcaster (including the BBC) would take the highlights contract on, even for no rights fee, given the large production costs. The BBC extension was only negotiated at the very end of the 2011-12 season. What has changed that Channel 5 think that they can make this work on a commercial basis?
I do hope they get Jim Rosenthal back to present the show...
I can't see a Football League highlights show at 9pm on a Saturday on Channel 5 doing particularly well.
Seems like an off decision, especially if Channel 5 were only offering marginally more money than the BBC.
Seems like an off decision, especially if Channel 5 were only offering marginally more money than the BBC.
Surely 9pm on C5 will do as well as midnight on the BBC. I suspect they'll probably repeat it around midnight themselves to try and get the most out of it too.
An interesting move from C5 though and I don't think it's something anybody other than Manish Bhasin will be losing sleep over at the BBC - if they're trimming the sports budget losing the rights to a highlights show that goes out after midnight is a sensible place to start.
I'd disagree with that - it's all about the broader advantage to the BBC's football portfolio, IMHO. For the past five years the Beeb have been able to cover the whole football pyramid and this gives depth to Football Focus and their website coverage. It's given a greater credibility to their football coverage than just Match of the Day. Having said that, when they lost the online clip rights in the last cycle, along with the live matches, that was a blow to this.
I just don't understand what Channel 5 intend to do with these rights. And I don't understand what has changed since the last rights cycle, when no terrestrial broadcaster (including the BBC) would take the highlights contract on, even for no rights fee, given the large production costs. The BBC extension was only negotiated at the very end of the 2011-12 season. What has changed that Channel 5 think that they can make this work on a commercial basis?
I do hope they get Jim Rosenthal back to present the show...
DV
Sky have huge clout with this ....
Remember Sky are Live Football League partners, whatever they want in respect of their coverage of other events will have considerable influence on any minor highlights package offered by the FL to others.
Football League and Premier League have nothing to do with each other - the Football League will act in their interests, not those of Sky and the Premier League. After all the Premier League don't give a stuff about how introducing games on a Friday night will affect the Football League.
Sky have huge clout with this ....
Remember Sky are Live Football League partners, whatever they want in respect of their coverage of other events will have considerable influence on any minor highlights package offered by the FL to others.
GE
Something for the Weekend transferred almost intact to Channel 4 - it lost a presenter and gained some ad breaks, but there was barely any difference between the two. Viacom might well be able to commission the same show from IMG.
thegeek
Founding member
It's an indie production commissioned by the BBC, using BBC talent. Channel 5 would have to produce their own programme, or commission an independent company to produce on for them.
Something for the Weekend transferred almost intact to Channel 4 - it lost a presenter and gained some ad breaks, but there was barely any difference between the two. Viacom might well be able to commission the same show from IMG.
SW
Sky are already showing Football League goals all evening on Sky Sports News so it's clear they themselves see them as no competition for Game of the Day, which is of no consideration, really, it's such a minor programme that gets a tiny audience. Sky themselves only really have it so they can get highlights rights to all the 3pm games. Given they're already showing live Football League games opposite live Premier League games on other channels - of their own free will - it would be pretty rich of them then to tell the Football League that they then can't put their highlights on another channel opposite their Premier League highlights. Sky are Premier League partners but they don't complain to the Premier League that Match of the Day is opposite Match Choice, do they?
Anyway, that said there is a general point that although the Football League and Premier League are separate competitions, the Football League is always going to have to work around the Premier League. The Premier League is always going to get top billing and the Football League has to accept that. However there are benefits of this - people tuning on for Soccer Saturday to get Premier League news and scores get Football League scores as well, similarly people tuning in to Football Focus for reports on the Premier League get reports on the Football League too.
One of the reasons why the Football League failed on ITV Digital is that it's all very well having the Football League as top billing but there aren't enough fans who want to watch that exclusively. Many people treat it as a supplement to the Premier League, they follow a Premier League team but still like to know how their home town club is getting on.
Sky have huge clout with this ....
Remember Sky are Live Football League partners, whatever they want in respect of their coverage of other events will have considerable influence on any minor highlights package offered by the FL to others.
Remember Sky are Live Football League partners, whatever they want in respect of their coverage of other events will have considerable influence on any minor highlights package offered by the FL to others.
Sky are already showing Football League goals all evening on Sky Sports News so it's clear they themselves see them as no competition for Game of the Day, which is of no consideration, really, it's such a minor programme that gets a tiny audience. Sky themselves only really have it so they can get highlights rights to all the 3pm games. Given they're already showing live Football League games opposite live Premier League games on other channels - of their own free will - it would be pretty rich of them then to tell the Football League that they then can't put their highlights on another channel opposite their Premier League highlights. Sky are Premier League partners but they don't complain to the Premier League that Match of the Day is opposite Match Choice, do they?
Anyway, that said there is a general point that although the Football League and Premier League are separate competitions, the Football League is always going to have to work around the Premier League. The Premier League is always going to get top billing and the Football League has to accept that. However there are benefits of this - people tuning on for Soccer Saturday to get Premier League news and scores get Football League scores as well, similarly people tuning in to Football Focus for reports on the Premier League get reports on the Football League too.
One of the reasons why the Football League failed on ITV Digital is that it's all very well having the Football League as top billing but there aren't enough fans who want to watch that exclusively. Many people treat it as a supplement to the Premier League, they follow a Premier League team but still like to know how their home town club is getting on.
RI
This is a bolt out of the blue, congratulations to Channel 5. To be honest I'm surprised ITV haven't gone for this package as well as the Premier League/Champions League highlights after losing their Live Football. Like others I'm not convinced this new programme can work as a stand alone 9pm show but I wish them good luck.
DV
MOTD v Match Choice is entirely different to Sky's main near live match of the week at 8pm. I still having read SW's reply stand by my C5 at 9pm being not likely opinion. FTA FL match highlights don't really compare with Goals on a Subscription service, SSNHQ.
SW
Well, where else can they put it? After 10pm it's opposite Match of the Day. Later than that is the same slot as it is on the Beeb so there's absolutely no advantage. It's been said that the Football League want it at an earlier time and C5 can offer that. Otherwise it may as well still be on the BBC. Every report on this has said the big attraction was a 9pm start.
And Game of the Day gets a tiny audience, it gets nowhere near the multichannel Top 50 in Broadcast. It's absolutely not a priority for Sky. I don't know why Sky would consider the goals from Rochdale vs Scunthorpe to be such a distraction from a Premier League match as live, but then happily show a live Football League game opposite a live Premier League game virtually every week.
MOTD v Match Choice is entirely different to Sky's main near live match of the week at 8pm. I still having read SW's reply stand by my C5 at 9pm being not likely opinion. FTA FL match highlights don't really compare with Goals on a Subscription service, SSNHQ.
Well, where else can they put it? After 10pm it's opposite Match of the Day. Later than that is the same slot as it is on the Beeb so there's absolutely no advantage. It's been said that the Football League want it at an earlier time and C5 can offer that. Otherwise it may as well still be on the BBC. Every report on this has said the big attraction was a 9pm start.
And Game of the Day gets a tiny audience, it gets nowhere near the multichannel Top 50 in Broadcast. It's absolutely not a priority for Sky. I don't know why Sky would consider the goals from Rochdale vs Scunthorpe to be such a distraction from a Premier League match as live, but then happily show a live Football League game opposite a live Premier League game virtually every week.
:-(
A former member
The earliest I have seen MoTD is 10.20pm so there is there is nothing stopping Ch5 placing it at 21.30.
IS
I do wonder how this will do compared with 'Law and NCSI-<insert city name>' that Channel 5 fill their Saturday nights with now.
They might well choose IMG to produce the new programme but AIUI the footage of the matches is currently sent back to them via the BBC regions. I wonder how whatever replacement will manage that
They might well choose IMG to produce the new programme but AIUI the footage of the matches is currently sent back to them via the BBC regions. I wonder how whatever replacement will manage that
MA
According to somebody on DS who appears to know what they are talking about, it will no longer be the responsibility of the highlights broadcaster to film and distribute the footage of non-live matches (which was a major sticking point in the BBC's last extension the highlights rights). Indeed, Championship clubs will all be connected up via fibre, so live coverage of their games will be delivered live to the production company, and League 1 and 2 games will be delivered, apparently, by 6pm. It wasn't made clear quite how this change was taking place, or who is paying for it, but it seems to be quite likely.