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BBC Scotland on opening credits

(August 2009)

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RU
russnet Founding member
Apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere but whilst watching the start of BBC2's The Funny Side of Talent last night, during the credits there was a BBC Scotland caption with their logo. Something I haven't seen before as its normally been just BBC at the start of programmes. Is this something new for the devolved regions?
:-(
A former member
It didn't seem to sit quite right, either. It was animated, but didn't look as bold as the regular BBC logo.

http://www.andrewjwood.eu/misc/bbc2/bbcs.jpg
NW
nwtv2003
You picked a good second to freeze on there Andrew! Don't really want to know what the Scotland logo is pointing to! Laughing
ST
STV Today
Lol - that is really funny and puts the parallelograms into a different dimension.
This logo is a contemporary twist for the old BBC Scotland logo. If you take a look at TV Ark and BBC Scotland news - you will see that from the 1980s to the end of the 90s the parrellelograms were used as a logo to represent the Highlands, Central Lowlands and Southern Uplands of Scotland.

http://www2.tv-ark.org.uk/bbc_scotland/news.html
IN
The Insider
Is this something new for the devolved regions?


It was up to each of the Nations how and where they placed their new branding, albeit with London's approval.

Northern Ireland use a black and white version of their animating logo on opening titles. The green animating logo is used on the production endboard of in-house shows, with a static version used on programmes commissioned from indies. Have a look at the opening and closing titles of Panic Attack on BBC1 NI weekdays at 5.15 and you'll see what I mean.

Scotland use their logo in much the same way.

Wales use the standard BBC blocks on opening titles, with a small version of their animating red Cymru Wales patch on closing credits. A full-frame version of this animation is shown in Wales before local programmes.

That's the rule of thumb anyway, but it all seems to go out the window a bit when the Nations contribute to one of the network "big brand" shows like Panorama or Songs of Praise, when typically you'll get the BBC blocks at the start and (technically defunct) old-style BBC Northern Ireland/ BBC Wales branding at the end.
MW
Mike W
Reminds me of this
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/1482/bbcinthemids.png
MI
Michael
We'll forgive you, it was some time ago.

http://www.tvforum.co.uk/forums/topic29454/page1

I'm sure someone linked to River City which has a similar logo on its opening credits.
SN
Silver Nemesis
Wales use the standard BBC blocks on opening titles, with a small version of their animating red Cymru Wales patch on closing credits. A full-frame version of this animation is shown in Wales before local programmes.

I think I prefer them using just the standard BBC logo on the titles - practically everything made by the BBC in the last 12 years has had it, and after all, English regions and independents don't get their logo instead.

That's the rule of thumb anyway, but it all seems to go out the window a bit when the Nations contribute to one of the network "big brand" shows like Panorama or Songs of Praise, when typically you'll get the BBC blocks at the start and (technically defunct) old-style BBC Northern Ireland/ BBC Wales branding at the end.

That's interesting - I haven't seen the old BBC Wales branding on any new programmes for a long time (IIRC the most recent "Doctor Who" episodes had the new logo at the end). It's no surprise if that's happened - BBC News programmes regularly pick poor-quality or defunct logos for on-screen graphics.

http://www.tvforum.co.uk/forums/topic29454/page1
I'm sure someone linked to River City which has a similar logo on its opening credits.

It was me, on page 7 of that thread, but it doesn't work now, so I'll post it again - last Tuesday's River City with the BBC Scotland logo animation at the start and end - and I'll also do yesterday's Panic Attack with BBC NI logo at the start and end, with a BBC NI credit squeeze too. (The old Nations versions of the Forest ident are still there, incidentally.)

I've put a couple of other points about the red box for anyone who's interested in the spoiler box below:
- Any BBC Wales-produced programme, whether local or networked, is preceded by the red full-frame sting when shown on BBC One/Two Wales. The sting comes after the normal ident - the whole thing is usually simulated on the iPlayer (click here for an example).

- The red box animates at the end of the closing credits on almost all English-language BBC Wales material - even Wales Today has it. On the short bulletins, it replaces the BBC News box on the closing titles sting, though doesn't animate.

- All Welsh-language material uses a blue logo instead of a red one. I don't think I've ever seen the blue version of the pre-programme full-frame sting on S4C (I might be mistaken, though) but it does exist and is used on the iPlayer (example). Instead, they use a white version of their logo over the titles like BBC Scotland and BBC NI do (but on English programmes it's just the normal blocks).

- On S4C, the logo only reads "BBC Cymru" whereas on BBC One/Two Wales it's always "BBC Cymru Wales". This is a new thing - the old Gill Sans logo read "BBC Wales" only on English programmes.
PE
Pete Founding member
Veering off mildly, BBC Scotland have a rather nice trailer for the football on at the moment. Well I say nice, its not, its rubbish, *but* it shows off Pacific Quay rather nicely with loads of shots of the big staircase, radio and TV studios.

Oh and it starts with the full screen zoom version of the paralellograms.
ST
Stuart
Wales use the standard BBC blocks on opening titles, with a small version of their animating red Cymru Wales patch on closing credits. A full-frame version of this animation is shown in Wales before local programmes.

I think I prefer them using just the standard BBC logo on the titles - practically everything made by the BBC in the last 12 years has had it, and after all, English regions and independents don't get their logo instead.

Did they not just do the standard BBC Blocks for Torchwood on network BBC One?

As a presentation fan who was obviously going to keep the series on DVD, I recorded the BBC One Wales broadcasts from DSat which I suspected would have the full screen version of their logo at the start (together with the standard BBC Blocks) and a 'mini-me' at the end. I was right:

http://vid273.photobucket.com/albums/jj219/StuartPlymouth/BBCWalesNationalIdent.flv

Although if I had ever been naughty enough to make DVD copies for my friends Shocked , at least I would sleep happy in my cell knowing that the illegal DVDs showed the correct branding for the programme Very Happy
ST
STVNews
I just couldn't believe how big PQ was inside when i got in there.
And, more imortantly, how pokey the RS studio was.
ST
Stuart
I just couldn't believe how big PQ was inside when i got in there.
And, more imortantly, how pokey the RS studio was.

All studios are more pokey than you expect, 'STVNews'. It's the job of the Director and Vision Techies to make it all look bigger and better.

Although despite that preconception, I must say I was surprised at the angle they had squeezed the 'Regional ITV News' set into the Plympton studio for 'Westcountry Live' when I saw it. Not at all the orientation I had expected - which is down to the clever way it was shown on TV, of course! Wink

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