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Split from BBC Scotland channel - service to also launch in HD

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JAS84 posted:
That's probably why they kept the Calendar name for the news, instead of changing to a geographical name like HTV did after the regional names were scrapped. The name Calendar isn't biased like Yorkshire would be.


Calendar was kept for the same reason that Granada Reports and Lookaround were kept (which also aren’t geographical names), the heritage of those names and their associations with viewers in those regions.

The reasons for HTV being scrapped were very different.
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Roger Darthwell London London
Kunst posted:
I can't frankly see the need of such a channel, TBH, even if I'm not from Scotland

I'm talking in general terms, I don't think Scotland should've been treated "better" than the rest

Still, if the UK really wanted to do local TV correctly, I think something a là"Die Dritten" like in Germany (or the autonomous channels of Spain), would've been much better : e.g. local channels all across the UK (not just Scotland), possibly funded both publicly and commercially
Something like Channel 4, but local

But it's too late especially in an era where linear TV is declining, it was too late to launch BBC Scotland, even more for local commercial channels

I also find it odd that ITV has local opt outs for Scotland, while there's none from BBC!
It should've been the opposite,really.. Scotland is relatively big enough to have its own regions, at least 2 or 3, at least for an opt out inside of Reporting Scotland


UK TV is great, but in general, it doesn't handle local TV very good..
"Weird stuff"for me is also Yorkshire TV covering not so Yorkshire areas, like eastern Midlands!

Linear TV is not declining, if linear TV is really declining then the BBC would not even considering relaunching BBC Three as an actual linear TV channel!
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Roger Darthwell London London

The broadcasting landscape simply doesn't reflect the UK structure, Arguably Scotland and the BBC Scotland channel does this job best, with the linguistic challenge fulfilled by BBC Alba. There is in my view a case for STV to operate a challenger channel in addition to their Channel 3 responsibilities.

I have to respectfully disagree, the BBC Scotland channel, is not doing a good job at all, if it's doing a good job, how do you explain the low viewing figures for the channel?, what the people of Scotland actually wanted was a Scottish News at 6 on BBC1 Scotland, not an entirely new channel that nobody asked for. As for STV, I would like to remind you that STV DID create a new channel in addition to their Channel 3 responsibilities, it was called STV 2, but in 2018 it was closed because of what? Because of low viewers, and also because of the launch of this BBC Scotland channel. Let's remember that back in the 90s Sky also created a channel for Scottish people, it was called Sky Scottish, but also because of low viewers it lasted only 2 years. In the end my point is this, both Sky and STV created a TV channel specifically for Scotland, they both failed, now given that this BBC Scotland channel is plagued by the same issues that brought the closure of Sky Scottish and STV 2, what makes you think that this one is going to succeed where both Sky and STV failed?
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Cando London London

The broadcasting landscape simply doesn't reflect the UK structure, Arguably Scotland and the BBC Scotland channel does this job best, with the linguistic challenge fulfilled by BBC Alba. There is in my view a case for STV to operate a challenger channel in addition to their Channel 3 responsibilities.

I have to respectfully disagree, the BBC Scotland channel, is not doing a good job at all, if it's doing a good job, how do you explain the low viewing figures for the channel?, what the people of Scotland actually wanted was a Scottish News at 6 on BBC1 Scotland, not an entirely new channel that nobody asked for. As for STV, I would like to remind you that STV DID create a new channel in addition to their Channel 3 responsibilities, it was called STV 2, but in 2018 it was closed because of what? Because of low viewers, and also because of the launch of this BBC Scotland channel. Let's remember that back in the 90s Sky also created a channel for Scottish people, it was called Sky Scottish, but also because of low viewers it lasted only 2 years. In the end my point is this, both Sky and STV created a TV channel specifically for Scotland, they both failed, now given that this BBC Scotland channel is plagued by the same issues that brought the closure of Sky Scottish and STV 2, what makes you think that this one is going to succeed where both Sky and STV failed?


Do you ever get tired of repeating the same post? The channel is doing fine imho. Your agenda/ obsession is hijacking a thread.
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Roger Darthwell London London
Cando posted:

The broadcasting landscape simply doesn't reflect the UK structure, Arguably Scotland and the BBC Scotland channel does this job best, with the linguistic challenge fulfilled by BBC Alba. There is in my view a case for STV to operate a challenger channel in addition to their Channel 3 responsibilities.

I have to respectfully disagree, the BBC Scotland channel, is not doing a good job at all, if it's doing a good job, how do you explain the low viewing figures for the channel?, what the people of Scotland actually wanted was a Scottish News at 6 on BBC1 Scotland, not an entirely new channel that nobody asked for. As for STV, I would like to remind you that STV DID create a new channel in addition to their Channel 3 responsibilities, it was called STV 2, but in 2018 it was closed because of what? Because of low viewers, and also because of the launch of this BBC Scotland channel. Let's remember that back in the 90s Sky also created a channel for Scottish people, it was called Sky Scottish, but also because of low viewers it lasted only 2 years. In the end my point is this, both Sky and STV created a TV channel specifically for Scotland, they both failed, now given that this BBC Scotland channel is plagued by the same issues that brought the closure of Sky Scottish and STV 2, what makes you think that this one is going to succeed where both Sky and STV failed?


Do you ever get tired of repeating the same post? The channel is doing fine imho. Your agenda/ obsession is hijacking a thread.

I just answered to somebody's opinion, am I not free in this forum to give my point of view? Plus this and my other post 1 month ago were the first time in ages that I wrote in this thread, plus I am not hijacking any thread, and I respect your humble opinion that the channel is doing fine ok
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thegeek Founding member London London
As for STV, I would like to remind you that STV DID create a new channel in addition to their Channel 3 responsibilities, it was called STV 2, but in 2018 it was closed because of what? Because of low viewers, and also because of the launch of this BBC Scotland channel.

STV 2 wasn't performing terribly, as far as Local TV channels went - plus they had expansion plans and were being smarter about sharing content than the That's/Made In corral. They threw in the towel pretty much as soon as the BBC approved their new channel as they knew there'd be no point in trying to compete.
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JAS84 Yorkshire Look North (E.Yorks & Lincs)

Let's remember that back in the 90s Sky also created a channel for Scottish people, it was called Sky Scottish, but also because of low viewers it lasted only 2 years.
Sky and STV jointly created that channel. Hence why it was Scottish and not Scotland. The logo even included the STV thistle.
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Roger Darthwell London London
As for STV, I would like to remind you that STV DID create a new channel in addition to their Channel 3 responsibilities, it was called STV 2, but in 2018 it was closed because of what? Because of low viewers, and also because of the launch of this BBC Scotland channel.

STV 2 wasn't performing terribly, as far as Local TV channels went - plus they had expansion plans and were being smarter about sharing content than the That's/Made In corral. They threw in the towel pretty much as soon as the BBC approved their new channel as they knew there'd be no point in trying to compete.

Thank you for correcting me, my apologies for my mistake
JAS84 posted:

Let's remember that back in the 90s Sky also created a channel for Scottish people, it was called Sky Scottish, but also because of low viewers it lasted only 2 years.
Sky and STV jointly created that channel. Hence why it was Scottish and not Scotland. The logo even included the STV thistle.

That's right it was a joint venture!
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johnnyboy Founding member Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
Cando posted:

The broadcasting landscape simply doesn't reflect the UK structure, Arguably Scotland and the BBC Scotland channel does this job best, with the linguistic challenge fulfilled by BBC Alba. There is in my view a case for STV to operate a challenger channel in addition to their Channel 3 responsibilities.

I have to respectfully disagree, the BBC Scotland channel, is not doing a good job at all, if it's doing a good job, how do you explain the low viewing figures for the channel?, what the people of Scotland actually wanted was a Scottish News at 6 on BBC1 Scotland, not an entirely new channel that nobody asked for. As for STV, I would like to remind you that STV DID create a new channel in addition to their Channel 3 responsibilities, it was called STV 2, but in 2018 it was closed because of what? Because of low viewers, and also because of the launch of this BBC Scotland channel. Let's remember that back in the 90s Sky also created a channel for Scottish people, it was called Sky Scottish, but also because of low viewers it lasted only 2 years. In the end my point is this, both Sky and STV created a TV channel specifically for Scotland, they both failed, now given that this BBC Scotland channel is plagued by the same issues that brought the closure of Sky Scottish and STV 2, what makes you think that this one is going to succeed where both Sky and STV failed?


Do you ever get tired of repeating the same post? The channel is doing fine imho. Your agenda/ obsession is hijacking a thread.


Bad form. You may disagree with him but he is not being repetitive.

You did not answer any of his points which were reasonably made.

Play the ball and not the man next time, please.
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Roger Darthwell London London
Cando posted:
I have to respectfully disagree, the BBC Scotland channel, is not doing a good job at all, if it's doing a good job, how do you explain the low viewing figures for the channel?, what the people of Scotland actually wanted was a Scottish News at 6 on BBC1 Scotland, not an entirely new channel that nobody asked for. As for STV, I would like to remind you that STV DID create a new channel in addition to their Channel 3 responsibilities, it was called STV 2, but in 2018 it was closed because of what? Because of low viewers, and also because of the launch of this BBC Scotland channel. Let's remember that back in the 90s Sky also created a channel for Scottish people, it was called Sky Scottish, but also because of low viewers it lasted only 2 years. In the end my point is this, both Sky and STV created a TV channel specifically for Scotland, they both failed, now given that this BBC Scotland channel is plagued by the same issues that brought the closure of Sky Scottish and STV 2, what makes you think that this one is going to succeed where both Sky and STV failed?


Do you ever get tired of repeating the same post? The channel is doing fine imho. Your agenda/ obsession is hijacking a thread.


Bad form. You may disagree with him but he is not being repetitive.

You did not answer any of his points which were reasonably made.

Play the ball and not the man next time, please.

Thank you so much! I really appreciate this! I am completely open to debate, that's one of the reasons why I joined this wonderful community!
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JetixFann450 Central Reporting Scotland
Cando posted:
I have to respectfully disagree, the BBC Scotland channel, is not doing a good job at all, if it's doing a good job, how do you explain the low viewing figures for the channel?, what the people of Scotland actually wanted was a Scottish News at 6 on BBC1 Scotland, not an entirely new channel that nobody asked for. As for STV, I would like to remind you that STV DID create a new channel in addition to their Channel 3 responsibilities, it was called STV 2, but in 2018 it was closed because of what? Because of low viewers, and also because of the launch of this BBC Scotland channel. Let's remember that back in the 90s Sky also created a channel for Scottish people, it was called Sky Scottish, but also because of low viewers it lasted only 2 years. In the end my point is this, both Sky and STV created a TV channel specifically for Scotland, they both failed, now given that this BBC Scotland channel is plagued by the same issues that brought the closure of Sky Scottish and STV 2, what makes you think that this one is going to succeed where both Sky and STV failed?


Do you ever get tired of repeating the same post? The channel is doing fine imho. Your agenda/ obsession is hijacking a thread.


Bad form. You may disagree with him but he is not being repetitive.

You did not answer any of his points which were reasonably made.

Play the ball and not the man next time, please.

I can agree with Mr. Darthwell's opinion that the previous attempts at giving Scotland their own channels have sort of been unsuccessful. I think it's rather not that a Scottish channel wouldn't work, it's more that they're giving priority to a country that likely doesn't need a whole dedicated channel for specific programming. STV2 definitely proved it could work, with it's flagship show Live at Five and it's own late night show, but because it was much of a hassle to even manage not only one station (with two regional variants) but on top of that, managing a second channel for both Glasgow and Edinburgh, you could see where it likely went wrong and explains why they ended up just merging it into STV2 before giving up entirely.

I do believe that if the ITV schedule wasn't limiting, some STV2 shows could've aired on the main channel but because ITV post-2002 was built for national programming and only local during news, STV had no other choice but to open these new ventures which likely would've gotten viewership if more advertisements and publicity was spread about it. The oddest thing is that BBC have been there with this before (i.e BBC Choice Scotland) where the digital channel had it's own regional output before they decided to instead put out digital regional variants of BBC One and Two in 2001 (except Wales, they got a special service called BBC 2W for some reason during the evening hours). In short, I think Scottish (or regional programming in general) shouldn't be shafted to obscure digital services and instead placed on the main channel, but in an idyllic world, the BBC expects everything to be on a stricter and tight schedule to everyone else, leaving BBC Scotland to lack any sort of relevance to the viewer.

BBC Scotland, to me at least, appeared to just be for tax reasons alone. It also just rubbed the gaping wound that BBC Three left just so Scotland could have it's own 'special' channel which simply appears to have bled viewers on it's flagship show The Nine, which the BBC were banking on being a hit due to Scottish residents wanting their own Scottish Six and due to the fact BBC Two had no open slots for that, they ended up spending millions for the sake of a channel that has seen no proper success other than it's programming, which could do fine on BBC Two Scotland if it had stuck around.
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tellyblues North Reporting Scotland
STV's ventures were always doomed to fail, particularly those that relied on repeats. Their record of commissioning programmes for their own channel has been woeful and led to viewers of STV2, STV Glasgow/Edinburgh and S2 before that constantly seeing Take The High Road and Taggart on the schedule.

BBC Scotland is better off because the back catalogue is broader and contains far more recent stuff but even now there are repeats of repeats. Repeats of original commissions which weren't popular first time round also reflect badly on the channel.

The remit is 50% originals and 50% repeats - does anyone know what a repeat of Inside Central Station would fall under?

Where BBC Scotland is lacking, IMO, is the unimaginative desire to produce derivative versions of programmes/subjects that are vaguely popular and giving up on those that are not, not bothering to question why they weren't successful. This means if you like nature, football and people getting killed the channel has something to offer.

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