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(July 2015)

SO
SOL Central Reporting Scotland
The nations' CAs don't just announce, like London, they also control the playout, so it is probably cheaper to continue as it is, than change.

Besides, I think the Scottish and Welsh governments would have a lot to say about removal of local services.
MK
Mr Kite Granada North West Today
It'd actually be nice if the stations in England could improve their continuity. Continuity is a nice touch and it really grates hearing the same monotonic "This is BBC One in the North West..." announcement every evening. Even when there's an unusual line-up in the presenting team, the same announcer manages to say the exact same couple of sentences, merely switching the names around, with exactly the same tone. Live announcements would be nice too but even if that's too advanced for whatever reason, Media City should be capable of recording better announcements with someone who sounds better (more interested even). I remember back in the 90s seeing local junctions on both BBC One and BBC Two and they were done to a much better standard. Many of them were often done by serving newsreaders of the time such as Nigel Jay and Martin Henfield.

Also, can it not be called "BBC One North West", as this sounds much better than "BBC One in the North West". That's what it says on the EPG and that's the convention in Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland.
Last edited by Mr Kite on 8 July 2015 5:21pm - 2 times in total
GL
globaltraffic24 Central Reporting Scotland
SOL posted:
The nations' CAs don't just announce, like London, they also control the playout, so it is probably cheaper to continue as it is, than change.

Besides, I think the Scottish and Welsh governments would have a lot to say about removal of local services.



I doubt there would be a substantial political argument against the removal of 2 full-time CAs in Scotland. Ditching local programming? Yes. Ditching the second-rate CA who stumbles her way into Eastenders? No. Only last week, we were treated to the Scottish CA introducing a show with the English CA clearly audible under her voice. The script was identical. To the average guy on the street in Scotland it is perceived as tokenism. 'Quick, put a Scotch voice on and call it BBC One Scotland'
WM
WMD Meridian (Thames Valley) South Today
It'd actually be nice if the stations in England could improve their continuity. Continuity is a nice touch and it really grates hearing the same monotonic "This is BBC One in the North West..." announcement every evening. Even when there's an unusual line-up in the presenting team, the same announcer manages to say the exact same couple of sentences, merely switching the names around, with exactly the same tone. Live announcements would be nice too but even if that's too advanced for whatever reason, Media City should be capable of recording better announcements with someone who sounds better (more interested even). I remember back in the 90s seeing local junctions on both BBC One and BBC Two and they were done to a much better standard. Many of them were often done by serving newsreaders of the time such as Nigel Jay and Martin Henfield.

Also, can it not be called "BBC One North West", as this sounds much better than "BBC One in the North West". That what it says on the EPG and that's the convention in Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland.


I think the only BBC English Region to not use 'in' or 'in the' is BBC South West. A few years ago, they recorded some trailers for BBC South, using their own house style. I remember thinking it sounded rather better as 'BBC One South' though.
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:-(
A former member
There is the problem BBC1 Scotland does alot of opt outs during the week and also highlight opt outs for later on, CA is need every weekday evening.
DO
dosxuk Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
There is the problem BBC1 Scotland does alot of opt outs during the week and also highlight opt outs for later on, CA is need every weekday evening.


There's no guarantee this won't change with the new budget. If presentation have to cut 1/5 off their expenditure, the nations will have to make changes.
SO
SOL Central Reporting Scotland
SOL posted:
The nations' CAs don't just announce, like London, they also control the playout, so it is probably cheaper to continue as it is, than change.

Besides, I think the Scottish and Welsh governments would have a lot to say about removal of local services.



I doubt there would be a substantial political argument against the removal of 2 full-time CAs in Scotland. Ditching local programming? Yes. Ditching the second-rate CA who stumbles her way into Eastenders? No. Only last week, we were treated to the Scottish CA introducing a show with the English CA clearly audible under her voice. The script was identical. To the average guy on the street in Scotland it is perceived as tokenism. 'Quick, put a Scotch voice on and call it BBC One Scotland'


I think there'd be more noise made than you think. BBC Scotland is also going to be more accountable to the Scottish Parliament under the Smith Commission, so it's possible we may eventually end up with a federal BBC in years to come.

As I said earlier, as BBC nation CAs also control playout, it wouldn't save any money in any case.
:-(
A former member
SOL posted:
SOL posted:
The nations' CAs don't just announce, like London, they also control the playout, so it is probably cheaper to continue as it is, than change.

Besides, I think the Scottish and Welsh governments would have a lot to say about removal of local services.


I doubt there would be a substantial political argument against the removal of 2 full-time CAs in Scotland. Ditching local programming? Yes. Ditching the second-rate CA who stumbles her way into Eastenders? No. Only last week, we were treated to the Scottish CA introducing a show with the English CA clearly audible under her voice. The script was identical. To the average guy on the street in Scotland it is perceived as tokenism. 'Quick, put a Scotch voice on and call it BBC One Scotland'


I think there'd be more noise made than you think. BBC Scotland is also going to be more accountable to the Scottish Parliament under the Smith Commission, so it's possible we may eventually end up with a federal BBC in years to come.

As I said earlier, as BBC nation CAs also control playout, it wouldn't save any money in any case.


Are you sure? every so often you can hear a countdown for the CA to start speaking or finish.
SP
Steve in Pudsey Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
The BBC Scotland Announcer/Director is likely to be listening to the Director at RedBee in London, particularly going into network programmes. If they're covering up network trails with Scotland trails of the same length they are likely to be hitting the same timings as the network announcer, and if the cans are a bit loud it might leak through onto the air.
Write that down in your copybook now.
NG
noggin Founding member
SOL posted:
SOL posted:
The nations' CAs don't just announce, like London, they also control the playout, so it is probably cheaper to continue as it is, than change.

Besides, I think the Scottish and Welsh governments would have a lot to say about removal of local services.



I doubt there would be a substantial political argument against the removal of 2 full-time CAs in Scotland. Ditching local programming? Yes. Ditching the second-rate CA who stumbles her way into Eastenders? No. Only last week, we were treated to the Scottish CA introducing a show with the English CA clearly audible under her voice. The script was identical. To the average guy on the street in Scotland it is perceived as tokenism. 'Quick, put a Scotch voice on and call it BBC One Scotland'


I think there'd be more noise made than you think. BBC Scotland is also going to be more accountable to the Scottish Parliament under the Smith Commission, so it's possible we may eventually end up with a federal BBC in years to come.

As I said earlier, as BBC nation CAs also control playout, it wouldn't save any money in any case.


I know that is, or was, true in BBC Wales, but is it also the case in Scotland and Northern Ireland. I was under the impression that they had, at least some of the time, separate CAs and Channel Directors - and didn't run with a single Announcer/Director as Wales do?
SO
SOL Central Reporting Scotland
Unless it's changed recently, playout was controlled by the CA as well. I'm sure Tony can confirm if he sees this. TC had playout issues himself during the junction leading to I Belong to Glasgow last year.
DE
denton
BBC One NI and BBC Two NI are run by one person each per shift!

The role involves schedule prep and previewing, technical playout of the schedule (trails, programmes, idents, stills, credit squeezes, subtitles, etc), editorial control of the schedule (deciding what to drop/add often at the last second to cope with programme overrun/underruns), scripting and live announcing, recording of lines/outside sources for shifting to later in the day or week, routing of sources, lines recording of as-live trails, ingesting late arriving programmes to server for TX, media management of network trails for local playout, giving on air and off air times to studios and OBs, and talking to members of the public on tours of the building.
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