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BBC to revamp kids' channels

(November 2006)

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CW
Charlie Wells Moderator
Ref: http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,,1937889,00.html

Quote:
BBC to revamp kids' channels

The BBC is planning a widescale relaunch of its children's channels CBBC and CBeebies, including a £1m-an-hour drama.

The digital station will be given a new on-air look and will target different ages, after the BBC realised it was failing to serve the four- and five-year-old age range.

CBeebies will now be aimed at all children up to six-year-olds while CBBC will focus on six- to 12-year-olds.

Presenter links between programmes will be cut and replaced with hi-tech links, with the money saved to be put back into programming.

The two digital channels, which have been one of the BBC's big success stories, will have fewer programmes but of higher quality.

Shows coming up on the channels include The Roman Mysteries, which cost £1m an hour to make. The drama - which features stars such as Simon Callow - was made possible through a £600,000 investment from venture capitalists.

Dubbed "Rome for kids but with no sex" the glossy drama follows four children's lives in imperial Rome.

Other shows coming up include MI High - a spy drama built as a "Spooks for kids" and made by the Spooks producer Kudos.

Rag Doll Productions is also making what the CBeebies creative director, Michael Carrington, called "the new Teletubbies". With the title In the Night Garden, the show will air early next year.

In addition, CBeebies has developed a programme out of one of its internet characters, called Tommy Zoom, while CBBC has made a novel show called The Wrong Trainers.

The Wrong Trainers features children talking about drugs and poverty, set to animation.

Mr Carrington said the changes to the channels were a result of research the BBC had undertaken that showed the channel was not serving four- to five-year-olds adequately.

CBeebies is also making a special version of Jackanory for younger children, called Jackanory Junior.

The CBBC creative director, Anne Gilchrist, said her research showed the channel had too many magazine programmes.

"Our conclusion was we need to do fewer programmes, better. The sorts of things we want to do more of are in the areas of comedy and specialist factual - areas I don't think we've done before," she said.

"We think our audiences deserve the kind of high-quality programming you will see in The Roman Mysteries."

Ms Gilchrist said it was not certain when the relaunch of the two digital channels would take place saying.

"We are assembling various bits of the puzzle at the moment, but we're not sure quite when it will [happen]."
RO
Ronant
Sounds pretty rubbish to me, especially getting rid of the links between programmes which in my opinion is a big step back. And fewer programmes will just mean the same few programmes being shown over and over and over again.
ND
NorthDown2
I agree, as someone who teaches, the request from staff who teach the young kids is the kids often enjoy the Cbeebies links more than the programme which follows and that i should ensure that the IVC links are taped. Ditching IVC seems a retrograde step - remember CBBC pre-Schofield anyone? BBC graphics which were ditched for IVC which have remained to this day.

However, at looks as if there may be an implicit acknowledgement that the new idents from 18-24 months ago on CBBC Channel were a poor second to the bugs. As was mentioned on various forums, the arrows offered little possibility for use in different ways, whereas the bugs were seen doing a variety of things, with (if I recall correectly) bug idents linked to the seasons.

Personally, I think it's a shame that there's less and less oppportunity to do the magazine type shows on the CBBC Channel - the demise of Xchange and Level Up mean there is less opportunity to interact with the channel. Looking back Nelly Nut was always looking for viewers to phone and chat and play games too. This type of programming must be out of favour.
BF
Bewitched_Fan_2k
Totally stupid idea. Your going in the totally wrong direction. Nothing wrong with the channels as they are 'format' wise, the thing that needs doing is opening up those all old storage rooms blowing the cobwebs off the reals and playing a lot more of your 'children's' back archive.


(I'm talking Children's BBC shows from the 80's & 90's)
MA
marksi
The article is ambiguous in terms of whether IV is going from CBeebies. It's such a major part of the style of the channel that I'd be surprised if it was to go. It wouldn't cost nearly as much as CBBC's.

It's a pity it's going from CBBC but you have to balance they style with the expense.
BE
Ben Founding member
It's strange how things seem to have come full circle almost. I bet in a few years time some bright spark will come up with the idea of having presenters in-between programmes.

At which point marketing will declare this innovative and tell us how cutting down on the number of programmes and having presenters fill in the gaps saves huge amounts of money. Laughing
MA
marksi
Ben posted:
It's strange how things seem to have come full circle almost. I bet in a few years time some bright spark will come up with the idea of having presenters in-between programmes.

At which point marketing will declare this innovative and tell us how cutting down on the number of programmes and having presenters fill in the gaps saves huge amounts of money. Laughing


But of course. It's like so many other ideas in broadcasting.
FA
fanoftv
Ben posted:
It's strange how things seem to have come full circle almost. I bet in a few years time some bright spark will come up with the idea of having presenters in-between programmes.

At which point marketing will declare this innovative and tell us how cutting down on the number of programmes and having presenters fill in the gaps saves huge amounts of money. Laughing


I agree. Will there actually be any children's channels that have In Vision if they take it away from CBBC/CBeebies? Even though nick & disney only used to have theirs in the afternoon slot, it was still great, and much missed.
DI
Digiboy
. . . of course, the 'facts' in the Guardian story might not be quite right.

CBBC is certainly updating the look of its presentation continuity . That's not to say that it won't remain presenter-led, but will employ some new technology to create an ambitious new presentation environment. Smile

Not CBeebies.
NG
noggin Founding member
Digiboy posted:
. . . of course, the 'facts' in the Guardian story might not be quite right.

CBBC is certainly updating the look of its presentation continuity . That's not to say that it won't remain presenter-led, but will employ some new technology to create an ambitious new presentation environment. Smile

Not CBeebies.


Ambitious new presentation environment = much cheaper pre-recorded links in an area with a much lower craft skills base?

(VfM and all that...)
GA
Gareth Founding member
Digiboy posted:
....an ambitious new presentation environment. Smile


Ambitious, presenter in a virtual envrionment? You need lots of blue, camera and computer (yes, I know that's simplified) and you can label it ambitious if you really want!?
FA
fanoftv
Digiboy posted:
. . . of course, the 'facts' in the Guardian story might not be quite right.

CBBC is certainly updating the look of its presentation continuity . That's not to say that it won't remain presenter-led, but will employ some new technology to create an ambitious new presentation environment. Smile

Not CBeebies.


Should be interesting. I presume that this means two totally different logos. I must admit, I didn't think much of the change away from the bugs last year.

Me personally, I think that they should just keep the afternoon live, on the channel & one and afterwards on the channel with the same presenters.

To get around the problem I suppose they could schedule programmes on the channel and one to start at the same time and just tell them to turn over or stay on the channel for whatever.

As for programmes I agree that there should be more magazine type programmes, I personally think that the channel had the best line up when the afternoon consisted of Nelly Nut, X Change & then a couple of comedy type programmes.

And to answer my previous question, the only channel (not counting T4, as it's for an older age group), would be five.

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