SP
VHS transferred to something you can play back from a professional standard VT area will involve an extra generation of copying so it's hardly surprising
PE
peterrocket
Founding member
Sky Sports etc, when there's something they want on, they know when it will be on, so can easily have someone with a digiBeta machine record the show/match.
Adverts, no one really knows when a specific advert will be on, so VHS is cheaper and can be run in a logger style
Adverts, no one really knows when a specific advert will be on, so VHS is cheaper and can be run in a logger style
SI
I asked this somewhere else. When the BBC use an off air recording from a Sky Digibox for football clips etc they seem to use a domestic digibox (hence Red dot etc). Is this true?
You do get professional satellite receivers that support videoguard for cable headends etc . Why don't they use one of these, I mean at least they have an SDI output on them so the quality would be better. A quick google search reveals this one , there are probably more.
Or do they even modify a Sky domestic box for SDI output (like home cinema fans do).
You do get professional satellite receivers that support videoguard for cable headends etc . Why don't they use one of these, I mean at least they have an SDI output on them so the quality would be better. A quick google search reveals this one , there are probably more.
Or do they even modify a Sky domestic box for SDI output (like home cinema fans do).
DA
Because I'd imagine that in reality, it's far easier for someone to shove a video in the machine and record what's coming off the nearest Digibox! Simple as that really!
DAS
Founding member
simpfeld posted:
I asked this somewhere else. When the BBC use an off air recording from a Sky Digibox for football clips etc they seem to use a domestic digibox (hence Red dot etc). Is this true?
You do get professional satellite receivers that support videoguard for cable headends etc . Why don't they use one of these, I mean at least they have an SDI output on them so the quality would be better. A quick google search reveals this one , there are probably more.
Or do they even modify a Sky domestic box for SDI output (like home cinema fans do).
You do get professional satellite receivers that support videoguard for cable headends etc . Why don't they use one of these, I mean at least they have an SDI output on them so the quality would be better. A quick google search reveals this one , there are probably more.
Or do they even modify a Sky domestic box for SDI output (like home cinema fans do).
Because I'd imagine that in reality, it's far easier for someone to shove a video in the machine and record what's coming off the nearest Digibox! Simple as that really!
DE
Indeed. The BBC have introduced a system called PDP (personal digital production) where journos are trained to shoot and edit their own material. The corporation has invested heavily in this concept with a training centre in Newcastle.
However it has to be said from the offerings I have seen it looks poor in comparison to the material that is shot and edited by professional cameramen and editors.
Small hand held cameras for another angle have their place but not as widely as the BBC believe (in my humble opnion ofcourse!)
But it is supposed to work the other way too - with Production staff being trained in basic Journalism skills so that they too can shoot and edit. This is supposed to maintain the technical level of quality of story telling. IMO it should be the case that regions retain some "craft" editors and camera operators for the big jobs and use smaller cameras for other stories. The cameras that the BBC have chosen to use are what you might call "semi-pro" camcorders ... using the mini-DV format.
It's likely to be the case that they employ such equipment and techniques to provide material for the new local television loops, though this will probably mean an increase in the use of such cameras for the main regional programmes too.
EmleyMoor posted:
museumman posted:
I understand that the BBC regions employ Videojournalists - so it may be their cameras which are only semi-pro/domestic
Indeed. The BBC have introduced a system called PDP (personal digital production) where journos are trained to shoot and edit their own material. The corporation has invested heavily in this concept with a training centre in Newcastle.
However it has to be said from the offerings I have seen it looks poor in comparison to the material that is shot and edited by professional cameramen and editors.
Small hand held cameras for another angle have their place but not as widely as the BBC believe (in my humble opnion ofcourse!)
But it is supposed to work the other way too - with Production staff being trained in basic Journalism skills so that they too can shoot and edit. This is supposed to maintain the technical level of quality of story telling. IMO it should be the case that regions retain some "craft" editors and camera operators for the big jobs and use smaller cameras for other stories. The cameras that the BBC have chosen to use are what you might call "semi-pro" camcorders ... using the mini-DV format.
It's likely to be the case that they employ such equipment and techniques to provide material for the new local television loops, though this will probably mean an increase in the use of such cameras for the main regional programmes too.
MU
seems a bit odd though that non-journos are expected to contribute to the editorial process (do they have any journo training/qualifications?) and that non-techies are expected to operate cameras.......again i can only assume it's down to saving money. A real pity when the quality of the prog is jeopardised....
HA
Why don't they tune Sky Sports via other channels and then distribute this around BBC Television centre, surely this is possible and will never have the red button on it!
I wish BBC News 24 could get their pictures where World get them, as their pictures are DOGless!
harshy
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Steve in Pudsey posted:
Although a quick press of Back Up wouldn't be too much to ask you would hope
Why don't they tune Sky Sports via other channels and then distribute this around BBC Television centre, surely this is possible and will never have the red button on it!
I wish BBC News 24 could get their pictures where World get them, as their pictures are DOGless!
:-(
There are a number of sky digiboxes in the technical area of BBC News, one each for Sky Sports 1,2,3, SKy news, CNN, Eurosport etc.... these are permanately tuned and ARCed (made into 16:9 - because SKY sports changes ratio the 4:3 versions are used). They're set up like this so they need no intervention and are always availiable. There are a few changeable ones for sport which are used for Premiership plus, ITV2 etc
It also depends on what subscription you have, 'pub' cards have 4:3 Sky Sports on 401 402 403 404 with no red dots and widescreen Sky Sports on 041, 042, 043 and 044.
A former member
Steve in Pudsey posted:
Although a quick press of Back Up wouldn't be too much to ask you would hope
There are a number of sky digiboxes in the technical area of BBC News, one each for Sky Sports 1,2,3, SKy news, CNN, Eurosport etc.... these are permanately tuned and ARCed (made into 16:9 - because SKY sports changes ratio the 4:3 versions are used). They're set up like this so they need no intervention and are always availiable. There are a few changeable ones for sport which are used for Premiership plus, ITV2 etc
It also depends on what subscription you have, 'pub' cards have 4:3 Sky Sports on 401 402 403 404 with no red dots and widescreen Sky Sports on 041, 042, 043 and 044.
ME
I think they might well do this on purpose, to make it clear it isn't a real commercial break.
BBC TV Centre posted:
Slightly off topic, but regarding the quality of video of adverts used on programmes (e.g. Watchdog).
Some of these look as if they've been recorded using a bog-standard domestic VCR.
Some of these look as if they've been recorded using a bog-standard domestic VCR.
I think they might well do this on purpose, to make it clear it isn't a real commercial break.
AS
The cameras certainly are NOT "domestic" as you referred to them.
They are mostly Sony PD150/250s and VX2000s, which are high-end production models. They cost about £2500 each...
museumman posted:
thanks Emleymoor. I agree with you that some of the results are pretty bad. But I guess pro cameramen and pro editors cost money - and if the beeb is to continue expanding tv in the regions (haven't they just announced 60 new tv stations?) they will need to find a way to pay for it. It's just a pity that they have chosen to sacrifice quality pictures - something the beeb was always good at.
Do you know what type of cameras they are using? I take it they didn't just go down to Dixon's?!
Do you know what type of cameras they are using? I take it they didn't just go down to Dixon's?!
The cameras certainly are NOT "domestic" as you referred to them.
They are mostly Sony PD150/250s and VX2000s, which are high-end production models. They cost about £2500 each...