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(April 2007)

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IS
Inspector Sands
tvarksouthwest posted:
Why does there need to be any form of visuals accompanying end credit announcements when just the voiceover sufficed for almost 40 years?


Just because they didn't do it for the last 40 years doesn't mean that they wouldn't have done it had they had the technology!

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The announcer should be given back control of the faders and vision mixers as well.

Without question!


Totally impractical to do that, and if they did then you'd still get ECPs.... but they look even shabbier then they sometimes do now!
JR
jrothwell97
Inspector Sands posted:
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The announcer should be given back control of the faders and vision mixers as well.

Without question!


Totally impractical to do that, and if they did then you'd still get ECPs.... but they look even shabbier then they sometimes do now!


Announcers used to be able to control the vision mixers and faders, everything was OK then, and many announcers probably despise ECPs.
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tvarksouthwest
Inspector Sands posted:
Just because they didn't do it for the last 40 years doesn't mean that they wouldn't have done it had they had the technology!

Part of the problem IMHO - you often wonder if ECPs are really there to stop you switching over, or to show off DVE effects as if to say "look what our toy can do"...
IS
Inspector Sands
jrothwell97 posted:

Announcers used to be able to control the vision mixers and faders, everything was OK then,


Yes, but everything was manual then. Vision mixing was just another gallery role with 6 or 7 people in the next room doing the rest. It's a bit more difficult trying to keep up with a computer which can do everything with split second accuracy.

The only thing it would change is to slow everything down and make it look frayed around the edges

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and many announcers probably despise ECPs.


Maybe they do, maybe they don't. It doesn't matter either way because their job is to talk when required.

If they were to have the controls it doesn't mean they could refuse to do something.... not without a P45 ending up on their desk soon afterwards!
MB
Mark Boulton
Inspector Sands posted:
If they were to have the controls it doesn't mean they could refuse to do something.... not without a P45 ending up on their desk soon afterwards!


What a lovely atmosphere to work in. I wonder, how many Secret Santa gifts have you ever received from your subjects, Your Highness?
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tvarksouthwest
Inspector Sands posted:
If they were to have the controls it doesn't mean they could refuse to do something.... not without a P45 ending up on their desk soon afterwards!

Inspector, you seem to be confirming my earlier suspicions that CAs no longer have the controls to ensure they don't do anything silly. And that Marketing are sufficiently worried this will one day happen.

We all know what would happen to the disgruntled anno who dared to abandon the script and tell millions of viewers "Jeremy Kyle is over on ITV1 now, here on BBC1 now, the best we can do is Homes Under The Hammer!" But whether computers can do things with split-second accuracy or not (most of us would prefer things "frayed around the edges" to give it the human touch); your post conjures up images of the Broadcast Centre as a concentration camp!
IS
Inspector Sands
tvarksouthwest posted:

Inspector, you seem to be confirming my earlier suspicions that CAs no longer have the controls to ensure they don't do anything silly. And that Marketing are sufficiently worried this will one day happen.


No, they no longer have controls (except faders of course) because a computer does the rest..... and it's been like that for well over 10 years now!

Like any job they can still do something 'silly'... but they don't because they are are all professionals (and I'm sure most of them don't care as long as they are still in a job and enjoying what they're doing.... at the end of the day that's the most important thing with any job)

You make it sound like there is some sort of marketing conspiracy to oust the style of TV which you like from the 1970's. There isn't. It's just progress!

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But whether computers can do things with split-second accuracy or not (most of us would prefer things "frayed around the edges" to give it the human touch); your post conjures up images of the Broadcast Centre as a concentration camp!


No, it's just like any other place of work where you do a job for other people who make the decisions. That isn't going to change no matter how many buttons you give the announcer!
IS
Inspector Sands
Mark Boulton posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
If they were to have the controls it doesn't mean they could refuse to do something.... not without a P45 ending up on their desk soon afterwards!


What a lovely atmosphere to work in. I wonder, how many Secret Santa gifts have you ever received from your subjects, Your Highness?


So, how many times have you refused to do something at work which is part of your job? Most people would be out on their ear!
DA
DAS Founding member
Mark Boulton posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
If they were to have the controls it doesn't mean they could refuse to do something.... not without a P45 ending up on their desk soon afterwards!


What a lovely atmosphere to work in. I wonder, how many Secret Santa gifts have you ever received from your subjects, Your Highness?


This is one of the most bizarre comments I've read for a long time I must say. If I refused to do something at work, whether I have control or no control, I would expect my boss to be handing me my P45. One can only assume that your job allows you to ignore any orders from above, since the notion of being given orders by a boss would take away the lovely atmosphere. I love the idea that Red Bee Media is somehow a disgusting place to work compared to most other workplaces - anybody would think a CA was a normal company employee! We can't have that surely.
NH
Nick Harvey Founding member
Watch out guys.

You're not allowed to disagree with Mr Boulton. He'll have to stamp his little feet, change his name again and then pretend to leave.
JR
jrothwell97
A Miscellany of Fictional Rebellious Continuity Announcements
(well, we can dream...)

"You're all being punished for not watching any of the rubbish we put out, so here's a completely irrelevant trailer to ruin your viewing pleasure."

"There's another programme on next on BBC1."

"In a change to some schedules on BBC3, mainly because the Two Pints tape has worn out..."

"Sorry for that interference in the guise of an Eastenders trailer taking up half of the screen, those money-grabbing insane young madmen at Marketing have hijacked the signal again."

"LORNA, how many times have I told you NOT TO PRESS THAT BUTTON, that's naughty!"
MB
Mark Boulton
DAS posted:
Mark Boulton posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
If they were to have the controls it doesn't mean they could refuse to do something.... not without a P45 ending up on their desk soon afterwards!


What a lovely atmosphere to work in. I wonder, how many Secret Santa gifts have you ever received from your subjects, Your Highness?


This is one of the most bizarre comments I've read for a long time I must say. If I refused to do something at work, whether I have control or no control, I would expect my boss to be handing me my P45. One can only assume that your job allows you to ignore any orders from above, since the notion of being given orders by a boss would take away the lovely atmosphere. I love the idea that Red Bee Media is somehow a disgusting place to work compared to most other workplaces - anybody would think a CA was a normal company employee! We can't have that surely.


Oh, you mean it's odd to think that in some companies, the people who work there are allowed to have opinions and discuss things between each other and pull together to move things forward in the best direction? You think it's odd that in some companies, managers are keen to get input and feedback from those who report to them and that decisions are questioned if there is good reason and those reasons sometimes taken on board, and sometimes not if there reasons for not doing so are clearly explained and become clearly understandable. . The norm you describe however is no doubt on the increase. However your promotion of that type of culture is exactly what industry of any nature can really do without.

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