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(January 2002)

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GR
thegreenfairy
BBC-branded channels in the UK are not allowed to carry commercials. This is part of the BBC's charter, I believe.
Also, channels funded by the license fee have to be kept seperate from channels not funded by the license fee (i.e. BBC Worldwide) and have to operate like any other commercial channel - not be subsidised by license fee payers.

Anyway - it makes perfect sese to me that the BBC would not want to broadcast a channel made for a foreign audience and funded by advertising, in the UK when a better and more UK-relevant channel is provided in the form of News 24.

If people are complaining about a lack of international news from the BBC then maybe that is something they should be (are?) looking into - maybe we should get a shift in focus for News 24 bulletins? Or maybe it will be helped by the new programme on BBC4. But if people only want BBC World in the UK so they can look at the (rather uninspired, typically BBC-News) idents - I can't see the BBC making it a priority.

Nobody is stopping you, if you really want to see it, from receiving it in the UK, but the BBC are perfectly entitled not to make it generally available when it would compete and detract from their own offering.
LS
Larry Scutta
Parliament -

Is contracted out to a private company, (part of Granada IIRC) who operate it. the pictures come from another company which produces the live feed of the Commoms and Lords all day for all TV companies.

It's amazing how in the same conversation about bandwidth people are asking for more than static slides during Parliament downtime... well won't that just eat up the bandwidth!?

And if how many people here actually watch Parliament (and I mean actually watch it rather than oggle the graphics)? How many DTT viewers would watch it if it got vision as well as sound?

NONE!!!! Nobody watches it, it's necessary and nice to have, but it isn't watched!

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World -

Rights for programmes on World and Prime are bought for viewing by a worldwide (non-UK) audience. That's one of the reasons that it isnt availiable in the UK. And never will be.

It's not a local channel for not local people!
KA
Katherine Founding member
Quote:
Larry Scutta on 12:16 am on Jan. 18, 2002

And if how many people here actually watch Parliament (and I mean actually watch it rather than oggle the graphics)? How many DTT viewers would watch it if it got vision as well as sound?

I do. Prime Minister's Questions, and maybe another hour or so every night. Being interested in the workings of the Commons and politics in general, this channel's an eye-opener. I've been to see debate in the House of Lords several times and I'm hoping to be able to get to sit in the Public Gallery for Prime Minister's Questions some time this year.
CW
cwathen Founding member
>Anyway - it makes perfect sese to me that the BBC would not >want to broadcast a channel made for a foreign audience and >funded by advertising, in the UK when a better and more UK->relevant channel is provided in the form of News 24.

The point I keep trying to make is why do the BBC want to make anything for a foreign audience. They are the UNITED KINGDOM public service broadcaster. I don't see why they should have any desire to make any channel which isn't designed for the UK. I don't believe in BBC World, BBC America or BBC Anything that isn't officially receivable here. But if they will insist on having these channels, then they should be forced to carry them officially on a UK Platform.
PE
peprice
Quote:
cwathen on 1:01 am on Jan. 18, 2002
The point I keep trying to make is why do the BBC want to make anything for a foreign audience. They are the UNITED KINGDOM public service broadcaster. I don't see why they should have any desire to make any channel which isn't designed for the UK. I don't believe in BBC World, BBC America or BBC Anything that isn't officially receivable here. But if they will insist on having these channels, then they should be forced to carry them officially on a UK Platform.

No. The channels should not be forced to be shown in the UK.

That's the role of UK Gold, Horizons, Drama & Food etc.

You're missing the point - the BBC Worldwide channels exist to contibute to the UK licence fee by selling repeats of BBC licence fee funded programmes.

There is no reason for the BBC to show BBC World in the UK just because you can watch it in France, India or Canada. There is very little on BBC World which you can't watch on News 24 (headline news overnight, Talking Movies), UK Horizons/BBC TWO (Horizon) or BBC ONE (Weatherview).

If you really want to see the commercially produced programmes not available elsewhere (of which ClickOnline is the only one I can think of right now) then write to the BBC directly and ask for them to be stuck on a digital channel...

Peter.
BB
Big Brother Founding member
News so far... They will be working with the designer of BBC WORLD. But they haven't got even doodlesa yet.

We can work on mocks now! Get Started.
GA
Gary Founding member
Big Brother how do you know all this? You obviously have your sources! Fancy telling us?http://web.ukonline.co.uk/tv.home/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif
HA
harshy Founding member
Quote:
peprice on 1:39 am on Jan. 18, 2002
Quote:
cwathen on 1:01 am on Jan. 18, 2002
The point I keep trying to make is why do the BBC want to make anything for a foreign audience. They are the UNITED KINGDOM public service broadcaster. I don't see why they should have any desire to make any channel which isn't designed for the UK. I don't believe in BBC World, BBC America or BBC Anything that isn't officially receivable here. But if they will insist on having these channels, then they should be forced to carry them officially on a UK Platform.

No. The channels should not be forced to be shown in the UK.

I agree with you programme wise, but they do show Asia Today at a recent time, compared to crap 24, plus it's on for 30 minutes on BBC WORLD. BBC News 24 ought to show this edition, i'm sure many asians in the UK would watch it!

That's the role of UK Gold, Horizons, Drama & Food etc.

You're missing the point - the BBC Worldwide channels exist to contibute to the UK licence fee by selling repeats of BBC licence fee funded programmes.

There is no reason for the BBC to show BBC World in the UK just because you can watch it in France, India or Canada. There is very little on BBC World which you can't watch on News 24 (headline news overnight, Talking Movies), UK Horizons/BBC TWO (Horizon) or BBC ONE (Weatherview).

If you really want to see the commercially produced programmes not available elsewhere (of which ClickOnline is the only one I can think of right now) then write to the BBC directly and ask for them to be stuck on a digital channel...

Peter.


I agree with you programme wise, but they do show Asia Today at a recent time, compared to crap 24, plus it's on for 30 minutes on BBC WORLD. BBC News 24 ought to show this edition, i'm sure many asians in the UK would watch it!

(Edited by harshy at 7:05 pm on Jan. 18, 2002)
MD
mdta
Quote:
Big Brother on 2:53 pm on Jan. 18, 2002
News so far... They will be working with the designer of BBC WORLD. But they haven't got even doodlesa yet.

We can work on mocks now! Get Started.


http://www.tvforum.co.uk/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=4&topic=174&start=0

Here ya go Big Bro - 4 hours work there
ED
EDTV
Quote:
cwathen on 6:01 pm on Jan. 17, 2002
>Anyway - it makes perfect sese to me that the BBC would not >want to broadcast a channel made for a foreign audience and >funded by advertising, in the UK when a better and more UK->relevant channel is provided in the form of News 24.

The point I keep trying to make is why do the BBC want to make anything for a foreign audience. They are the UNITED KINGDOM public service broadcaster. I don't see why they should have any desire to make any channel which isn't designed for the UK. I don't believe in BBC World, BBC America or BBC Anything that isn't officially receivable here. But if they will insist on having these channels, then they should be forced to carry them officially on a UK Platform.



Some BBC Channels aren't necessarily owned by the BBC. BBC America and BBC Canada are not owned by the BBC. Instead, only the general image of the channel and the programming is licenced to the individual broadcasters who may have found a demand for British programming in their country.
MM
MillyMaster
AFAIK, BBC America IS owned by the BBC. Offically, it is owned and run by BBC Worldwide Americas.

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